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[Hiii Power]

hey,

i just want to read the battletech saga from the 1st book of the conflict between victor and his sister, can you guys help me out with the names of the books ?

sorry for my bad english

[Karl Streiger]

The Source Book:
FedCom Civil War....

or you take a look:
http://en.wikipedia....ttleTech_novels

Edited by Karl Streiger, 20 September 2013 - 05:00 AM.

[Tyrnea Smurf]

The on going storyline of Victor VS Katherine/Katrina are largely in the Michael Stackpole novels following the Blood of Kerensky trilogy which covers the Clan Invasion.

The novels that should give you the most background on that storyline: (I've not read these in at least 6 to 10 years so my recall on them might be a bit fuzzy)

Natural Selection (this one starts the ball rolling, and will give you some context to the conflict to come)

Assumption of Risk (most of this one follows Kai Allard-Liao on Solaris, however the 2 storyline in it is about the brewing Victor/Katfight)

Bred For War (This one covers the political separation of Houses Steiner & Davion)

Malicious Intent (this one mostly about the Clans, however the Victor/Katrina storyline is furthered here significantly)

(At this point in the novels you would get into the Twilight of the Clans miniseries, however those are not really about the Victor/Katrina storyline, with the exception of course of the Stackpole entrys, Twilight of the Clans book 2:Grave Covenant, Twilight of the Clans book 7: Prince of Havoc so you can either read these separately from the rest of the Twilight of the Clans miniseries, or if your one who likes to follow novel miniseries, you will get diverted for a bit)

At this point following the Twilight of the Clans, the main storyline of the fiction turns to the coming FedCom civil war, thus multiple authors takeover the story line:

Illusions of Victory : Loren Coleman

Measure of a Hero : Blaine Lee Pardoe

Flashpoint : Loren Coleman

Patriots and Tyrants : Loren Coleman

Call of Duty : Blaine Lee Pardoe

Imminent Crisis : Randall N. Bills

Storms of Fate : Loren L. Coleman

Operation Audacity : Blaine Lee Pardoe (IIRC the end of the Fed Com civil war)

In all the FedCom civil war had as many if not more novels devoted to it than any other the the fictions storylines. Hope this helps.

[Victor Morson]

The civil war went straight to hell after Bred For War, which was the last good BattleTech book to address it. In that book you had a shadier Victor Davion, a less transparent Katrina, etc. [Note: It does earn the title of "Worst BattleTech cover image ever" though.]

Once that passed, it basically became:

Katrina: I AM EVIL!
Victor: I must stop you, but I am a reluctant hero!
Katrina: EVVVVIIL
Victor: Well then I'll be good! So good I will lead every battle from the front and the Combine will be totally cool with me courting their royal bloodline! Not like we have any hard feelings, right guys?
Katrina: I AM EEEEEVIL!!!!!!

Victor Davion should have died at the front very shortly in. Characters unironically die saving his dumb *** many times, but the authors never realize why what he's doing is stupid. It turns white hat vs black hat very, very sharply. Frankly the only way I'd forgiven the whole thing is if [Major Game of Thrones Season 3 spoilers]

Spoiler

Katrina & the Combine engineered their own Red Wedding for him halfway through it.

I kept hoping that would happen, more or less, way back then; he's a goodie two shoes.

Compared to Hanse his character just sucks, but it's really apparent then. Hanse was a badass and all, but he knew better than to lead every battle at the front and he knew how to play politics. This is a guy who's tossed his own units into meat grinders before, because they have a loyalty problem. Hanse declared a massive war at his wedding, with his enemies present. Compared to non-stop "It is so hard to do this because my life is so terrible" followed by page after page of someone recanting a MW battle in text form; when combat made up like 5% of the previous main storyline books.

Yeah.. I could rant all day but I think the story went off a cliff with the civil war. The Clans did not fare much better. Don't get me started on Dark Age (****** clone babies, ahoy!) [Ed: It can't believe it censored that. For clarification, Katrina makes a vat baby with her brother's DNA and hers. Seriously. Apparently a central DA character too.]

Of course, in retrospect, Stockpole has since revealed he was working pretty much for free at this point, and FASA screwing with author checks is why most of the talent left. So there's a very real world reason for that drop.

Edit: Oh yeah! I forgot the other big thing. Suddenly every single unit, soldier and citizen in Davion became plucky heroes all rooting for Victor and being good guys while every Steiner soldier (with a VERY small handful of exceptions) turned into a frothing at the mouth psychopath willing to violate the Ares Conventions at the drop of a hat.

Keep in mind that timeline wise, 10 years earlier Steiner's entire military hierarchy were politically appointed and more interested in going to parties and socializing for government positions than actually fighting, with only a few elite units. From upper-class socialites to evil stormtroopers in the span of like 2 books.

Edited by Victor Morson, 20 September 2013 - 12:50 PM.

[Hiii Power]

Tyrnea Smurf, on 20 September 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

The on going storyline of Victor VS Katherine/Katrina are largely in the Michael Stackpole novels following the Blood of Kerensky trilogy which covers the Clan Invasion.

The novels that should give you the most background on that storyline: (I've not read these in at least 6 to 10 years so my recall on them might be a bit fuzzy)

Natural Selection (this one starts the ball rolling, and will give you some context to the conflict to come)

Assumption of Risk (most of this one follows Kai Allard-Liao on Solaris, however the 2 storyline in it is about the brewing Victor/Katfight)

Bred For War (This one covers the political separation of Houses Steiner & Davion)

Malicious Intent (this one mostly about the Clans, however the Victor/Katrina storyline is furthered here significantly)

(At this point in the novels you would get into the Twilight of the Clans miniseries, however those are not really about the Victor/Katrina storyline, with the exception of course of the Stackpole entrys, Twilight of the Clans book 2:Grave Covenant, Twilight of the Clans book 7: Prince of Havoc so you can either read these separately from the rest of the Twilight of the Clans miniseries, or if your one who likes to follow novel miniseries, you will get diverted for a bit)

At this point following the Twilight of the Clans, the main storyline of the fiction turns to the coming FedCom civil war, thus multiple authors takeover the story line:

Illusions of Victory : Loren Coleman

Measure of a Hero : Blaine Lee Pardoe

Flashpoint : Loren Coleman

Patriots and Tyrants : Loren Coleman

Call of Duty : Blaine Lee Pardoe

Imminent Crisis : Randall N. Bills

Storms of Fate : Loren L. Coleman

Operation Audacity : Blaine Lee Pardoe (IIRC the end of the Fed Com civil war)

In all the FedCom civil war had as many if not more novels devoted to it than any other the the fictions storylines. Hope this helps.

Thank you !

[Nathan Foxbane]

Why was End Game not in that list. The war is not over until End Game. Audacity covers the Jade Falcon incursion of that time, still very good and overall very important to the war. Imminent Crisis and The Dying Time also cover the FedCom Civil War. Imminent Crisis covers the battle for New Syrtis while The Dying Time covers the Grey Death Legion's defense of Hesperus II.

[Skylarr]

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FedCom Civil War

This article is about the fictional event. For the sourcebook on it, see FedCom Civil War (sourcebook).

The Federated Commonwealth Civil War (otherwise known as the FedCom Civil War, or simply FCCW for short) was one the most devastating wars to take place in the Inner Sphere. It lasted from 3062 until 3067 and destroyed hundreds of regiments from the former Federated Commonwealth states; the Federated Suns and Lyran Alliance. In addition, many mercenary units took part in the conflict, and even the Draconis Combine and Free Worlds League were dragged into it. Others factions such as the Capellan Confederation and Clan Jade Falcon took advantage of the situation to gain territory at the expense of the two warring states.

The very nature and scope of this conflict make it very difficult to properly cover the war. This was not a traditional war with waves and fronts. Instead, fighting tended to break out between units posted on the same world, often resulting producing no clear winner. In some cases, reinforcements were sent to help capture important worlds (as was the case with Tikonov, Kathil, and Dalkeith), only to find that the other side had done the same, creating "meat grinders" as neither side was able to secure an advantage for any length of time. In a few cases, military leaders like Victor Steiner-Davion, Maria Esteban and Tancred Sandoval were able to assemble task forces, but these were usually employed to take a single objective, rather than create a military front. Even in areas where there were no line units, fighting still took place between militia units, though those events often went undocumented.

Combatants

The main combatants were units who were loyal to either Victor Steiner-Davion or Katherine Steiner-Davion. Besides causing rifts in front line and militia units, the intelligence agencies of both states also underwent schisms.
In addition, there were units and planets that supported neither faction, but used the fighting as an excuse to further their own goals, like the rebellion in the Isle of Skye. Furthermore, some units declared their neutrality in the conflict, but since this involved disobeying orders given by Katherine Steiner-Davion, they were often attacked by pro-Katherine units who viewed them as traitors. This group included the entire Capellan March.

• Various mercenary units were drawn into this war and many were destroyed.
  
• The Draconis Combine became involved in the FedCom Civil War when renegade Draconis March units launched attacks against them between 3063 and 3065.
  
• The Capellan Confederation used the war to its advantage by first allying with Victor and then surprisingly conquering Tikonov in 3067.
  
• The Taurian Concordat destroyed a regiment of the Fighting Urukhai that entered its territory without permission in 3065. The unit was fleeing the war at the time.
  
• The Free Worlds League almost was dragged into this war when it's mercenary-unit Kristen's Krushers was attacked by Lyran forces in 3063.
  
• Clan Jade Falcon attacked the Lyran Alliance in 3064 to test its troops against the supposedly battle-hardened Lyrans.

See also

• Federated Suns - FedCom Civil War
  
• Lyran Alliance - FedCom Civil War
  
• Timeline of the FedCom Civil War

Bibliography

• Call of Duty
  
• The Dying Time
  
• Endgame
  
• FedCom Civil War
  
• Flashpoint
  
• Imminent Crisis
  
• Measure of a Hero
  
• Operation Audacity
  
• Patriots and Tyrants
  
• Prince of Havoc
  
• Storms of Fate

Dates

• Start Date - 3062
  
• End Date - 3067

Edited by Skylarr, 22 September 2013 - 01:47 PM.

[Karl Streiger]

Victor Morson, on 20 September 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

From upper-class socialites to evil stormtroopers in the span of like 2 books.

And like evil stormtroopers they had the better tech and greater numbers and still they started to run when a single Han Solo came running and shouting.

The better picture is in the Civil War Source Book believe me.

[Oppi]

Victor Morson, on 20 September 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

Edit: Oh yeah! I forgot the other big thing. Suddenly every single unit, soldier and citizen in Davion became plucky heroes all rooting for Victor and being good guys while every Steiner soldier (with a VERY small handful of exceptions) turned into a frothing at the mouth psychopath willing to violate the Ares Conventions at the drop of a hat.

There were FedSun units that sided with Katherine (Davion Guards on New Avalon the most prominent example), as well as there were Lyran Units that sided with Victor.

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Keep in mind that timeline wise, 10 years earlier Steiner's entire military hierarchy were politically appointed and more interested in going to parties and socializing for government positions than actually fighting, with only a few elite units. From upper-class socialites to evil stormtroopers in the span of like 2 books.

There were exchange programs and all that when the Suns and the Commonwealth joined their forces, to make the military actually become one, and the Davion side will have added some major military expertise to the bargain. Also there was that thing called the Clan Invasion, wherein the Steiners and Kuritas suffered almost exclusively until Tukayyid, so after the war on clan Smoke Jaguar there will have been plenty of battle hardened veterans in the forces loyal to Katherine.

I enjoyed reading all about the civil war very much. Was it a biased black and white storyline ? True. But you don't watch Terminator when you want something to think about

After that there was Dark Age ... all went to hell with Dark Age -.-

Edited by Oppi, 26 September 2013 - 12:47 PM.