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[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 20 September 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

I just remembered something. Assuming Bishy's system of double-tap fired instantly (instead of half-cooldown like current system) with ~10% jam chance, the UAC/20 would still be hilariously broken. If double-tapped, it would fire out 2 projectiles for 20 damage each, resulting in 40 damage almost instantly...from a weapon that weighs 12 tons and takes up 8 slots. That would be broken even with a jam rate of 100%...can you imagine an AC/80 heavy or assault mech? *Hides in a corner.*

Do not want.

Actually, I would like a .25 second gap between the two projectiles. With a lot of skill, it could still deliver both on target, or if the target was oblivious. The other thing I think UACS need is a recoil impulse where the gun gets muzzle rise, the bigger the caliber, the bigger the recoil.

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 September 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

Actually, I would like a .25 second gap between the two projectiles. With a lot of skill, it could still deliver both on target, or if the target was oblivious. The other thing I think UACS need is a recoil impulse where the gun gets muzzle rise, the bigger the caliber, the bigger the recoil.

That's not as bad, but 40 damage over 0.25 seconds from a 12-ton weapon is still incredibly horrifying. The recoil would have to be pretty huge to throw off a bullet fired only one-quarter of a second later.

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 20 September 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

That's not as bad, but 40 damage over 0.25 seconds from a 12-ton weapon is still incredibly horrifying. The recoil would have to be pretty huge to throw off a bullet fired only one-quarter of a second later.

yup. Clans are supposed to be horrifying, but there is a reason even Bryan has said they might have to rethink ClanTech implementation because it totally broke the TT, and every game it was in since.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Best way to fix the UAC20 is to fix the UAC5 now by making it do a burst of 1-damage shells. If they fire every 0.1s, then a UAC5 burst takes 0.5s, a double-tap would take a full 1.0s, a UAC20 would take 2.0s, and a double-tap would take 4.0s. 40x 1 damage hits over the course of four seconds doesn't seem all that overpowered to me, certainly less so than 2x 20 damage hits over a quarter second or less.

[Bishop Steiner]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 20 September 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Best way to fix the UAC20 is to fix the UAC5 now by making it do a burst of 1-damage shells. If they fire every 0.1s, then a UAC5 burst takes 0.5s, a double-tap would take a full 1.0s, a UAC20 would take 2.0s, and a double-tap would take 4.0s. 40x 1 damage hits over the course of four seconds doesn't seem all that overpowered to me, certainly less so than 2x 20 damage hits over a quarter second or less.

Well, we know we aren't gonna get micro damage bursts already. SO I am exploring purely pin point single projectile options.