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[Comguard]

Is there finally a way to see your own ELO?

I've checked my status, can't find it anywhere. Just see numbers that mean nothing until I know how they are weighed. Did I kill 100 noobs in matches lost or 100 Elites that won the game for my team? Do roflstomps with friends through newbs get extra points? I have no idea.

So how do the High-Elo players know that they are High-Elo players?

And why do I only see threads like "gameplay in high-Elo matches is like this..." but never "I'm stuck in Low-ELO, help!"?

MW:O - the game where every Mechwarrior is High-Elo.

Edited by Comguard, 21 September 2013 - 02:04 PM.

[Nik Reaper]

Well, they do have a point , and that is if you'r high enough , you can't get games....

[kaffeangst]

As I stated previously, my overall W/L has declined 5% from the introduction of ELO. However, I log my personal statistics on a daily basis - thus I have an accurate chart of the actual progress. There are trends upward and downward, but the W/L is more-or-less constant. When tournaments occur, the W/L dips, and in the periods between tournaments, the W/L slowly ascends. There hasn't been an MWO solo tournament for a while, which means my W/L will continue to climb until the next event.

If I could drop with a larger group, I'd rarely lose. For example, in my matches of 8v8 and later 12v12 with DV8, my W/L is 92+%. So... if and when PGI allows for larger groups than 4, good luck to the rest of the player-base.

[MadCat02]

Comguard, on 21 September 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

Is there finally a way to see your own ELO?

I've checked my status, can't find it anywhere. Just see numbers that mean nothing until I know how they are weighed. Did I kill 100 noobs in matches lost or 100 Elites that won the game for my team? Do roflstomps with friends through newbs get extra points? I have no idea.

So how do the High-Elo players know that they are High-Elo players?

And why do I only see threads like "gameplay in high-Elo matches is like this..." but never "I'm stuck in Low-ELO, help!"?

MW:O - the game where every Mechwarrior is High-Elo.

How many triel mechs do you get in games? If you get none then you doing ok XD !

Edited by MadCat02, 21 September 2013 - 03:33 PM.

[Grits N Gravy]

kaffeangst, on 21 September 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

As I stated previously, my overall W/L has declined 5% from the introduction of ELO. However, I log my personal statistics on a daily basis - thus I have an accurate chart of the actual progress. There are trends upward and downward, but the W/L is more-or-less constant. When tournaments occur, the W/L dips, and in the periods between tournaments, the W/L slowly ascends. There hasn't been an MWO solo tournament for a while, which means my W/L will continue to climb until the next event.

You have conceptual disagreement in this paragraph.

kaffeangst, on 21 September 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

My Overall W/L has declined by 5% with the introduction ELO

Did it happen all at once? How many games did it take to get to go down 5%? How many games did you play before?

kaffeangst, on 21 September 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

the W/L is more-or-less constant.

How is a 5% decline consistent? Did your win to loss ratio drop 5%, then stabilize, how long did it drop for, and how long did it take to stabilize? how many games did you play before the drop and how many after?

[Inkarnus]

in short he means hes a badass and your not

[kaffeangst]

https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing

That's how the W/L graph looks. Bottom half of the screenshot is the W/L on a 0-100 scale. The above is a zoomed perspective. Large drop in W/L is from the first MWO tournament, Be a Hero, the massive grind one. I played 408 matches during that tournament, maintained a 10.35 K/D playing all the four classes... but I lost a ton of games. 1.47 or 59.55% W/L.

[Grits N Gravy]

kaffeangst, on 21 September 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing

That's how the W/L graph looks. Bottom half of the screenshot is the W/L on a 0-100 scale. The above is a zoomed perspective. Large drop in W/L is from the first MWO tournament, Be a Hero, the massive grind one. I played 408 matches during that tournament, maintained a 10.35 K/D playing all the four classes... but I lost a ton of games. 1.47 or 59.55% W/L.

Is that wins/losses? or wins/total games played.

[kaffeangst]

That is Winning Percentage.

[WVAnonymous]

To refresh the hypothesis of the top 10% being used to average the bottom 10%, my 8 year old dropped with Bitchin' Betty this morning...

[Grits N Gravy]

kaffeangst, on 21 September 2013 - 07:06 PM, said:

That is Winning Percentage.

percent of what? a percentage is a number or ratio expressed as a fraction of 100. So the numerator is wins but what is denominator, losses or total games played? Add losses to wins for total games played. Divide wins by total games played. Wins/total game played. That is the win ratio I've been talking about through this whole post. Sorry if that terminology has caused confusion.

Edited by Grits N Gravy, 21 September 2013 - 08:58 PM.

[WVAnonymous]

Comguard, on 21 September 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

Is there finally a way to see your own ELO?

I've checked my status, can't find it anywhere. Just see numbers that mean nothing until I know how they are weighed. Did I kill 100 noobs in matches lost or 100 Elites that won the game for my team? Do roflstomps with friends through newbs get extra points? I have no idea.

So how do the High-Elo players know that they are High-Elo players?

And why do I only see threads like "gameplay in high-Elo matches is like this..." but never "I'm stuck in Low-ELO, help!"?

MW:O - the game where every Mechwarrior is High-Elo.

Pretty sure I'm stuck in low Elo, but I'm happy there.

[kaffeangst]

Overall Winning Percentage in terms of Total Wins/Total Matches.

[Grits N Gravy]

Even with an 80% win ratio you can still net out negative Elo points. If your Elo score is 400 points above your opponents, you need to maintain an 88 % to break even. The wins only net 8 points while the losses take away 42. This why you can't correlate Elo scores to win rate, they are circumstantial and volatile.

Elo scores are derived circumstantially. In that, the scores are based on your opponents. Since we all see different groups of opponents, attempting to deduce someone's Elo score from their win rate is futile. In that win rate won't be a good predictor of Elo scores.

[Tempered]

I thought that ELO was like a pizza, with the crust on the bottom and the cheese on top.

[Joseph Mallan]

Nice one Tempered

[PEEFsmash]

Grits N Gravy, on 22 September 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

Even with an 80% win ratio you can still net out negative Elo points. If your Elo score is 400 points above your opponents, you need to maintain an 88 % to break even. The wins only net 8 points while the losses take away 42. This why you can't correlate Elo scores to win rate, they are circumstantial and volatile.

Elo scores are derived circumstantially. In that, the scores are based on your opponents. Since we all see different groups of opponents, attempting to deduce someone's Elo score from their win rate is futile. In that win rate won't be a good predictor of Elo scores.

So you mean you might not gain Elo points very quickly if you are already high Elo...which Kaffe is.

[Grits N Gravy]

PEEFsmash, on 23 September 2013 - 07:55 AM, said:

So you mean you might not gain Elo points very quickly if you are already high Elo...which Kaffe is.

I mean it's possible that he's losing Elo score despite his 80% win rate. It depends on who is matches are against. You don't even have to a high score for this to occur, it can occur at any Elo score. Elo score adjustment per match is based on the difference between Elo score of the competitors.

The larger the disparity in Elo score, the less the higher ranked player gains and the more he stands to lose. At even Elo matches, each player bets 25 elo points. After the match one player will gain 25 points and the other will lose 25 points. If one player is ranked 800 points above the other, the higher ranked player will not gain any points from a win and will drop 50 points for a loss. In that worst case scenario a person has to maintain a 100% win ratio just so they don't lose points. The obtusity of pure Elo scores is a primary reason why some games are electing to keep them hidden from players.

[Chavette]

Mister Blastman, on 20 September 2013 - 07:53 AM, said:

They are very real! I have PROOF! SHH! Be quiet!

Is it just me or I'm alone feeling like there's ~20 of these guys in any given pug game.

[Deathlike]

Chavette, on 30 September 2013 - 05:59 AM, said:

Is it just me or I'm alone feeling like there's ~20 of these guys in any given pug game.

Working as intended™.

But really, it's sadly normal. If you haven't gotten disgruntled veterans, they're being replaced by anything but.