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[Hop per]

I guess I never thought about my purchase as a founder giving me special privileges into the future. The founders package to me was a fundraiser to create a game I thought I would enjoy. For that support I got some limited edition swag. The game needs to continue making money to support development.

I want them to continue making money to finish and improve a game that I really do enjoy. So I say do what you need to do to keep on going, because the alternative is no game. That to me is much bigger loss than no longer having limited edition swag (which by the way I still have).

Its like the Atari 2600 I still have in my attic. Its really cool to have, I pull it out once every 2 or 3 years. I enjoy it, I brag about it, and I put it away for another few years. I am not angry they made better counsels. Some day in this game my Founder’s Jenner will be vintage; I will pull it out, enjoy it, brag about it, and put it away again.

Edited by Hop per, 02 October 2013 - 09:35 AM.

[Lord Perversor]

Unless PGI start to recycle founder skins for new Hero mechs, Founders have no reason to complain.

We got our free 4x Mech when everyone else had to start with nothing. and the bonus C-bill was a welcome addition on those starting days.

Now all we have left it's the Tag to show off

[verybad]

More the merrier. Why should I care what othermechs are added, even if you're in a Founder, it's hardly rare. There's no way you're staying "special" in the game unless you're unreasonably good. I really think worrying about what the Founders get is a waste of time. We got what they said we would get, then you get people complaining about new things or not getting new things.

The game is about fighting in battlemechs, not counting perceived insults or merely not enough attention. If it walks it can die.

Founders didn't get a "We'll hold your hand, and if a new shiny mech comes along, you can have it instead of the Founder mech" promise.

I'm not in love with this game, but seriously.

[Scratx]

Actually, I should remind that founders also got MC, which the Phoenix package doesn't come with. As far as value for the buck goes, it's a toss-up, depending on what you value most.

I have no issues with there being hero mech variants of the chassis that were used for the founders. I'm fully expecting PGI to release hero variants of them, plus perhaps Raven, while they're working on clan mechs and such. Why? Well, it's a minor job compared to building a new mech and they will have a full pipeline of ready "regular" mechs for a few months thanks to Pr.Phoenix. So providing Hero mechs for the mech chassis that do not yet have them is a no brainer, really.

[Jetfire]

I hope to see hero Jenner, Catapult, and Hunchbacks. I do wish they would throw us a bone and offer 30% CBills on the founders though AND an MC option make any mech get bonus CB or EXP.

[Sabazial]

I doubt PGI will ever adjust the founder 'mech bonus to 30% as they are old content and PGI obviously need people to buy the newer hero 'mechs etc to keep funds coming in. If they adjusted them like a lot of players ask, then a large majority would probably just stick with their founder 'mechs and not need to worry about buying newer hero models.

[Hop per]

Bacl, on 02 October 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

My greatest fear opening this poll would be the reaction of the contributors and i have to say i'm having a good suprise because so far it is very polite and respectful.

So for that guys i thank you!

I think this was a great poll, and I am glad to see the responses. Props to the OP for putting it out there and responding respectfully as well.

@verybad

I understand your frustration and even share it, I am tired of the complaints about insults, missteps, ect, but lets save the lashing out to those folks who are a little more deserving. The OP is not flaming anybody here, but is a respectful part of the conversation

Edited by Hop per, 02 October 2013 - 09:57 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Legendary (in my own mind) Founder.
Phoenix Overlord/Saber owner.

And I say, who gives a rip? I got specifically what I paid for. They can do what they like now. Do I wish the Founders Mechs had more incentive to actually be used compared to a Hero Mech, in retrospect? Yup. But I knew that could happen.

Bacl, on 02 October 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

So Obviously i am a Founder (REALLY?!) and i'm worried.

Since July PGI is making all the choice that litterraly kills the fun factor; Ghost heat, 3rd person view, buffing and nerfing weapon for no obvious reasons ( well there is one but that for another post), the failed launch and the lack of new content... I could keep on going but now Boar's Head...


For me this is insult over injury! We supported the game by investing and by doing so we had some goodies, ok. Then the hero mechs comes out with custome skins ( like founders), custom pain job ( unlike founder), custom hardpoint (unlike founders) and they even do more credit than their founders counter part. It sucks but at least they were unique to only those who supported them.

Now we have a Hero Atlas that surpasses the Founder in every possible ways!
Its faster with bigger engine capacity, better weapon hardpoints ( this is personal taste tho), custome skin, paint job and it will be making more credits than our Founder Atlas. I hate the idea of being pushed aside

The other point that worries me is the fact that now they pulled a Hero Atlas out, they will have no guilt making hero versions of the Catapult, Hunchback and Jenner....

So i just want the Founders point of view on this. To make me shut up on this, having the possibility to exchange our founders mechs for the new heros variants would be fair but on the other hand we lose the "uniqueness" of those mechs.

And, actually, I am rather hoping for a Hero HBK and Catapult. Just sad they probably won't be a 4G and K2 respectively.

[Primez]

Bacl, on 02 October 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

So Obviously i am a Founder (REALLY?!) and i'm worried.

Since July PGI is making all the choice that litterraly kills the fun factor; Ghost heat, 3rd person view, buffing and nerfing weapon for no obvious reasons ( well there is one but that for another post), the failed launch and the lack of new content... I could keep on going but now Boar's Head...


For me this is insult over injury! We supported the game by investing and by doing so we had some goodies, ok. Then the hero mechs comes out with custome skins ( like founders), custom pain job ( unlike founder), custom hardpoint (unlike founders) and they even do more credit than their founders counter part. It sucks but at least they were unique to only those who supported them.

Now we have a Hero Atlas that surpasses the Founder in every possible ways!
Its faster with bigger engine capacity, better weapon hardpoints ( this is personal taste tho), custome skin, paint job and it will be making more credits than our Founder Atlas. I hate the idea of being pushed aside

The other point that worries me is the fact that now they pulled a Hero Atlas out, they will have no guilt making hero versions of the Catapult, Hunchback and Jenner....

So i just want the Founders point of view on this. To make me shut up on this, having the possibility to exchange our founders mechs for the new heros variants would be fair but on the other hand we lose the "uniqueness" of those mechs.

The founders package came with MC, you should have enough to get the hero atlas if you want. If you spent your MC already well then...

[Koniving]

My only grip about the hero Atlas is this:

The display image announcing it showed the cannon in the left side. It was in the right. I consider this false advertising. Had the cannon been on the left I would have bought it on the spot.

Though I would have been happier if it was like this Atlas but with a better paintjob.

Atlas is found at 2:10 Don't care if it'd add to the size of my right arm hit box, an under-arm slung ballistic mount in the form of a minigun is freaking awesome.

[Bishop Steiner]

Koniving, on 02 October 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

My only grip about the hero Atlas is this:

The display image announcing it showed the cannon in the left side. It was in the right. I consider this false advertising. Had the cannon been on the left I would have bought it on the spot.

Though I would have been happier if it was like this Atlas but with a better paintjob.

Atlas is found at 2:10 Don't care if it'd add to the size of my right arm hit box, an under-arm slung ballistic mount in the form of a minigun is freaking awesome.

pretty sure that is an Atlas III, which doesn't exist for many decades yet.

NRP, on 02 October 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

I'm not a Founder but for what it's worth, I'd rather have the Founders AS7-D than the Boar's Head. I think it's a much better, more versatile mech. The Boar's Head brings nothing over the AS7-RS.

don't let Khobai here you say that!

Butane9000, on 02 October 2013 - 07:37 AM, said:

First off as a Founder I fully expected them to add hero mechs to the founders chassis since the inception of the idea. Now I figured they'd be last to receive hero mechs as they do indeed have the founders versions. That being said they have some hero's to choose from and some not so numerous.

Jenner

JR7-K Jenner Grace - Another Sorenson Sabre's mech. Trading 2 Medium Lasers for extra armor. However later additions used FF and Endo Steel to add in a NARC. Considering NARCs general uselessness this is an unlikely hero.

Hunchback

HBK-4G Hunchback Shakir - Piloted by Shakir Jerrar of the Sorenson Sabre's. Sadly I have no idea what it's armament is and I cannot seem to find it anywhere. Though judging by Sarna it comes with an AC10.

There was a Hunchback piloted by Isoroku Kurita but I cannot find any specifications on it.

Catapult

Catapult CPLT-C1 Jenny "Butterbee" - Removes the LRM15's on the C1 to replace with 4 SRM6's. Could see this since many Catapult pilots do run SRMs.

Atlas

AS7-WGS Atlas Samsonov - Strips all the weapons except for the AC20 and adds heat sinks and 2 PPCs (one in each arm). Not a hero I'd recommend.

So we could see a Hunchback hero and Catapult hero in the works. But I'm not so sure about the remaining Atlas hero or Jenner. There has also been mention of a Atlas hero choice dubbed "Big Ben" but I cannot find information on it anywhere.

you do know that they just released an Atlas Hero Mech, yes?

[Koniving]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 October 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

pretty sure that is an Atlas III, which doesn't exist for many decades yet.

I'm aware. But I like the underarm gun. Which rifles "do exist" already even if obsolete. Though having toyed with the ballistics I do like the new barrel models for the Atlas. I hope that the barrel models continue to update and improve, perhaps even vary when we do -- if we do -- finally get weapon variants.

For example the following Gauss Rifles:
Yori Mechworks Imperator Dragon's Fire (Victor 9K, Atlas K)
The Kali-Yama Grand Slam (Orion 3-M)
The Norse Storm M-7D (non-stock mech Gauss Rifle).
should each have minor differences, yet maintain the same DPS, and ideally be somewhat visually unique. But I'll settle for the minor differences.

Edited by Koniving, 02 October 2013 - 11:20 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Seriously, my only complaint as a Founder is that I feel very little impetus to actually use my Founder's Mechs. But then, if my HBK-4G (F) was somehow an end all, be all Mech, how would PGI make more money off me? Honestly, I just hope that they don't make the Hero HBK based off the bloody 4SP or 4P, but since both dwarf the G in popularity, I'm pretty sure that it's gonna be closer to one of those.

I am also pretty sure that the rest of the year will be "Founder's" Heroes, from the simple expedient that they have to devote relatively little time and resources compared to the revenue generated, and between them and the Phoenix Mechs, will have bought themselves sufficient time to work on the Clan Mechs for the next several months.

But then, I had hoped that they were working on those in secret parallel all along, and pretty much got that wrong, so what do I know, lol?

[Kitane]

We always knew hero mechs for Founder mechs would eventually appear. Well, at least since the introduction of hero mechs. I look forward to Catapult and Hunchback Hero versions, as long as it isn't the Butterbee. 4 energy slots and 4 missile slots would make both C1 and C4 instantly obsolete.

What isn't making me happy is a lack of logic in special mechs.

We have 4 Founder mechs for $10 each with 25% bonus.
We have 6 Phoenix mechs for $5-7 each with 30% bonus and 10% loyalty bonus.
And we have a set of exclusive MC only variants with prices from $10 to $37, which offer only 30% C-Bill bonus and no loyalty perk.

Before introduction of Phoenix pack I considered the higher bonus on Hero mechs to be appropriate, because they were more costly. But then Phoenix mechs arrived with the best set of bonuses and the cheapest cost.

Now two weeks before Phoenix mechs arrive, they offer Boar's Head with usual hero bonuses for $37, while Phoenix set offers 6 mechs for similar price and two of them with superior bonuses.

Imho they should either buff Hero bonuses or make all bonuses same across all three types of special mechs. The current situation is going to be a mess.

Edited by Kitane, 02 October 2013 - 12:01 PM.

[627]

Don't get entitled.

More mechs are always a good thing. Feel free to choose or take out what you already have.


If there ever be a hero cat with no cbill boost and no different loadout than a C1 but with a fancy paintjob, i would buy it.

Edited by 627, 07 October 2013 - 02:35 AM.

[Grimlox]

Kitane, on 02 October 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

What isn't making me happy is a lack of logic in special mechs.

We have 4 Founder mechs for $10 each with 25% bonus.
We have 6 Phoenix mechs for $5-7 each with 30% bonus and 10% loyalty bonus.
And we have a set of exclusive MC only variants with prices from $10 to $37, which offer only 30% C-Bill bonus and no loyalty perk.

Before introduction of Phoenix pack I considered the higher bonus on Hero mechs to be appropriate, because they were more costly. But then Phoenix mechs arrived with the best set of bonuses and the cheapest cost.

Now two weeks before Phoenix mechs arrive, they offer Boar's Head with usual hero bonuses for $37, while Phoenix set offers 6 mechs for similar price and two of them with superior bonuses.

Imho they should either buff Hero bonuses or make all bonuses same across all three types of special mechs. The current situation is going to be a mess.

I don't disagree with your overall conclusion of putting all the hero/founders on par with Phoenix as far as bonuses go.

But I just want to point out that you have to spend more than $5-7 to get those 6 phoenix mechs that offer bonuses. With the best "Value" Overlord package you spend $110 and you get 6 mechs with bonuses ($18.33 per mech). Sure you get some premium and standard cbill variants (like you got free MC and premium time with founders) but you really can't just buy the Phoenix mechs with bonus for $5-7 each.

It's nitpicking a bit but it's worth noting I think.

Safe to say the value you get from hero assault mechs is pretty darn questionable. My Pretty Baby can attest to that.

[Aquavolt]

I could care less about the difference in c-bill boost or the fact that we have the exact same mechs as the primary variant.

I'm just pissed off that PGI changed the founders paint scheme to be ridiculously ugly. I understand it's supposed to have a rugged worn out weathered look but whenever I see a founders mech up close I can't tell it's a (F) variant until I look at the name.

I'm totally fine with a free AS7-D in my mechbay, but when it's kicking butt on the battlefield I want people to know that the pilot is a founder and not a bozo with a terrible taste in paint schemes.

Edited by Aquavolt, 02 October 2013 - 02:48 PM.

[Zerberus]

Jetfire, on 02 October 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

...AND an MC option make any mech get bonus CB or EXP.

We already have this, it`s called "Premium Time", and iit works with all of your mechs at the same time.

[Shazarad]

Couldnt care less if they introduced hero mechs on the same chassis as founders. I expected it going into the founders program.

But my mom told me its nice to share with people. I like to think I was raised right.

[Bishop Steiner]

Shazarad, on 02 October 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Couldnt care less if they introduced hero mechs on the same chassis as founders. I expected it going into the founders program.

But my mom told me its nice to share with people. I like to think I was raised right.

Naw man. I've met you. You far from being right.