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[Alpha087]

http://youtu.be/k-J5_FNBYns?t=22m54s

I'll just leave this here...

[Gregory Owen]

this is nothinig new. it was presented last week at the event.

they said the mechlab itself wasn't finished yet.

we'll see it go into testing within the next month.

[Lostdragon]

All this proves is that PGI says UI 2.0 is coming soon. Just like they have been saying for quite sometime, which leads me to believe that the word "soon" has a different meaning in Canada.

[Toong]

Lostdragon, on 04 October 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

All this proves is that PGI says UI 2.0 is coming soon. Just like they have been saying for quite sometime, which leads me to believe that the word "soon" has a different meaning in Canada.

They said sometime before launch, like way back in March or April. And when it started to become apparent that it was going to take longer, they said so. We knew months in advance not to expect UI 2.0 for launch, because they moved the date. If you want to arbitrarily believe in the timeframe that suits you best, even when that timeframe hasn't been accurate for months, that's your problem.

Besides. They've given a much stronger date this time: around four weeks.

[Lostdragon]

Toong, on 04 October 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

They said sometime before launch, like way back in March or April. And when it started to become apparent that it was going to take longer, they said so. We knew months in advance not to expect UI 2.0 for launch, because they moved the date. If you want to arbitrarily believe in the timeframe that suits you best, even when that timeframe hasn't been accurate for months, that's your problem.

Besides. They've given a much stronger date this time: around four weeks.

I don't arbitrarily believe in anything, I believe in results. PGI did a very poor job setting expectations for launch, we did not know for months that UI 2.0 would not be in. As far as I am aware, it was confirmed only in ATD 46 that UI 2.0 and CW phase 1 would not be in for launch, see the answer to the second question: http://mwomercs.com/...vs-46-answered/ . This was posted less than two weeks before launch, not months.

Please link the dev post or communication that stated UI would not be in for launch months prior to this.

Edited by Lostdragon, 04 October 2013 - 08:27 AM.

[Blue Footed Booby]

Toong, on 04 October 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

They said sometime before launch, like way back in March or April. And when it started to become apparent that it was going to take longer, they said so. We knew months in advance not to expect UI 2.0 for launch, because they moved the date. If you want to arbitrarily believe in the timeframe that suits you best, even when that timeframe hasn't been accurate for months, that's your problem.

Besides. They've given a much stronger date this time: around four weeks.

You're right that we knew it wouldn't be in launch months (or at least month) beforehand, but people are frustrated because "before launch" wasn't the first statement on CW arrival date. We're coming up on, what, 11 months of slip? Meanwhile, they've done a pretty poor job laying out what the holdup is or how progress is going or even so much as an occasional screenshot or two. Maybe this is just me, but in my experience multiple delays separated by almost complete silence is usually a very bad sign. At the very least I don't blame people for disbelieving claims of "soon."

Edited by Blue Footed Booby, 04 October 2013 - 08:28 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Soon an Never. Two Words PGI don't seem to know the meaning of...

[Toong]

Blue Footed Booby, on 04 October 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

You're right that we knew it wouldn't be in launch months (or at least month) beforehand, but people are frustrated because "before launch" wasn't the first statement on CW arrival date. We're coming up on, what, 11 months of slip? Meanwhile, they've done a pretty poor job laying out what the holdup is or how progress is going or even so much as an occasional screenshot or two. Maybe this is just me, but in my experience multiple delays separated by almost complete silence is usually a very bad sign. At the very least I don't blame people for disbelieving claims of "soon."

Neither do I. Belief has nothing to do with my post. Accurate representation of the information is my goal.

I personally have faith in the date they gave, if for no other reason than they're a lot more cautious with their dates since the August hatesplosion, but I'm not going to fault people for doubting. Ridiculing people for their emotions about something is kinda silly.

[Chemie]

in July Russ said CW was a "solid 2013 feature". Now we are lucky for UI2 this year.

[Navy Sixes]

I wish UI2.0 would come out already, just to quiet all the grievers.

Oh, who am I kidding. They'll say they hate it, no matter what. Take your time, PGI. It doesn't matter when it comes out.

[shintakie]

Toong, on 04 October 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

Neither do I. Belief has nothing to do with my post. Accurate representation of the information is my goal.

I personally have faith in the date they gave, if for no other reason than they're a lot more cautious with their dates since the August hatesplosion, but I'm not going to fault people for doubting. Ridiculing people for their emotions about something is kinda silly.

They didn't give a set date. They gave a wishy washy maybe hopefully date which is actually better this way. If they completely f up the launch date of it again (I say if, but really I mean when), they can simply use the excuse that they never actually said when it'd be in, only when we hoped to have it in.

[Karyudo ds]

Lostdragon, on 04 October 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

...which leads me to believe that the word "soon" has a different meaning in Canada.

Didn't realize Blizzard was Canadian all this time... explains everything.

[Alex Warden]

Lostdragon, on 04 October 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

All this proves is that PGI says UI 2.0 is coming soon. Just like they have been saying for quite sometime, which leads me to believe that the word "soon" has a different meaning in Canada.

"Soon" has the same meaning in canada as in almost any games company i ever witnessed to produce a game... really nothing special or unique to PGI... if anything, PGI holds up to game developers traditions

[Amsro]

The year 3000 is "Soon" compared to Dinosaurs, it all depends on your point of view.

[Lucian Nostra]

if we look at it from a cosmilogic point of view soon could mean about 100 million years

[Ryvucz]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 October 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Soon an Never. Two Words PGI don't seem to know the meaning of...

Technically, you could say all future content will be delivered between Soon^TM and Never.

[LauLiao]

Alpha087, on 04 October 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

http://youtu.be/k-J5_FNBYns?t=22m54s

I'll just leave this here...

PROOF... that someone doesn't know the meaning of the word "proof".

[Xendojo]

PROOF......that some people are gullible as all get out, and that others really like carrots.

[aniviron]

Blue Footed Booby, on 04 October 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

You're right that we knew it wouldn't be in launch months (or at least month) beforehand, but people are frustrated because "before launch" wasn't the first statement on CW arrival date. We're coming up on, what, 11 months of slip? Meanwhile, they've done a pretty poor job laying out what the holdup is or how progress is going or even so much as an occasional screenshot or two. Maybe this is just me, but in my experience multiple delays separated by almost complete silence is usually a very bad sign. At the very least I don't blame people for disbelieving claims of "soon."

I'm not trying to excuse PGI in any way here; but while I was busy doing better things I put on that three hour interview with NGNG that happened a while ago, and Bryan says that the holdup was the game becoming unbearably buggy, and the whole engineering side of PGI getting bogged down in fixing cryengine and their own code from earlier.

So there you go, that's what they were doing. Not sure what exactly it was they fixed or why it took so long, but that's what they were doing. I'm also going to say that while it was nice that he communicated this to us at all, a three-hour long audio interview is going to be listened to by almost no one, which means communication could maybe be a bit better.

[Lupin]

And meanwhile nothing else in the game will develop (i.e. CW, new game type) until UI 2.0 released.

FUBAR.