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[I 0____o I]

According to NVIDIA GeForce Experience and the published specs I'm comfortably above the recommended specs for MWO:

AMD Phenom II x6 1035t
GTX 650 Ti 1GB overclocked to 993MHz
8GB RAM
Max settings on MWO
1280x1024

However I'm often getting 30-20fps depending on the map and action. I just had an Alpine Peaks match at constant 20fps during big battles. Canyon gets me 30fps. I have a small 4:3 monitor due to space limitations on my desk, which should actually help my FPS. MSI Afterburner however reports sustained 95%+ GPU usage. Windows task manager doesn't have any of my CPU cores hitting the limits so I'm guessing it's a GPU bottleneck. Latest GeForce driver, Windows updated.

I'm wondering if the pubished specs are just wrong and you really need a much beefier GPU to play at max at even 1280x1024.

[NocturnalBeast]

GIANT TARGET, on 23 November 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

According to NVIDIA GeForce Experience and the published specs I'm comfortably above the recommended specs for MWO:

AMD Phenom II x6 1035t
GTX 650 Ti 1GB overclocked to 993MHz
8GB RAM
Max settings on MWO
1280x1024

However I'm often getting 30-20fps depending on the map and action. I just had an Alpine Peaks match at constant 20fps during big battles. Canyon gets me 30fps. I have a small 4:3 monitor due to space limitations on my desk, which should actually help my FPS. MSI Afterburner however reports sustained 95%+ GPU usage. Windows task manager doesn't have any of my CPU cores hitting the limits so I'm guessing it's a GPU bottleneck. Latest GeForce driver, Windows updated.

I'm wondering if the pubished specs are just wrong and you really need a much beefier GPU to play at max at even 1280x1024.

The 650 is a lower-end video card, so 20-30fps at high resolutions is pretty reasonable. Also, this game is very CPU dependant and scales well with CPU clock speed.

[Goose]

"Max settings" plus 1Gb video card can't be good: Drop your textures down to medium as a preliminary step.

Or do you know if you've overloaded the cards RAM already?

[I 0____o I]

Ed Steele, on 23 November 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

The 650 is a lower-end video card, so 20-30fps at high resolutions is pretty reasonable. Also, this game is very CPU dependant and scales well with CPU clock speed.

Ti not the regular 650. 650 Ti is meant for 1650x typically.

Edit: I just read through a bunch of threads confirming what you said that MWO is CPU bound. I'll stick with what I have for now, but if all cores in the x6 are used efficiently, there would be no problem.

Edited by GIANT TARGET, 24 November 2013 - 02:05 AM.

[Gremlich Johns]

While I am not keen to purchase the higher end cards, I don't buy anything below a X60-series GTX card (GTX460SE, GTX560 ti Fermi, and the GTX760 4GB) I have gotten excellent performance, for me, for my dollar, from all three cards and I can/could easily overclock them. I cannot obviously discern anything above 60FPS whilst playing, but I know guys out there want the biggest bestest brightest. I am unwilling to fork out more than my eyes need.

When DX11 has been tested by MW:O players, some experienced a drop in FPS.

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 24 November 2013 - 09:58 AM.

[Durant Carlyle]

GIANT TARGET, on 23 November 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

...but if all cores in the x6 are used efficiently, there would be no problem.

Once you get to a certain threshold (four actual cores -- not Hyper-Threading), this game rewards clock speed more than extra cores.

You could have a 16-core Xeon processor, but if it was running at 2.0 GHz it would still give crappy performance. A four-core i5 running at 3.0 GHz would outperform the Xeon. The i5 would also outperform your X6 1035T because of the extra clock speed.

So, my advice is to overclock that CPU if possible. I'd try to get at least 3.0 GHz out of it. Hopefully your cooling can handle it.

And yes, performance with DirectX 11 will likely be worse for everyone, as it places greater demand on the GPU for better-quality visuals.

[I 0____o I]

I'm not asking for miracles that developers use all 6 cores efficiently, but 4 isn't going overboard. Quad core and above is probably what the majority of gamers is running out there and there are many titles that use 4 cores efficiently. Those game studios may have a higher budget than PGI but hopefully PGI gets there some day. What I see right now is that 2 of the 6 cores are near their peak, 2 others are floating around 30%, and 2 others are more or less idle. I think this can be improved.

GPU won't be an issue for my setup I believe. I did a couple more drops and saw that GPU usage was peaking at 75%. IDK why before Afterburner was showing 100%. Anyways I'm upgrading to a Radeon 7850 which is overkill for most games at my resolution, but the MSI Twin Frozr 7850 2gb is on sale right now at Newegg for $104 after rebate.

[Bullseye69]

I am running a athlon 2 645 and a xfx r270x card changed to the xfx from a msi hd7770 only saw a little improvement less yo yo but about the same frame rates can run some things on medium now instead of low. Be warned that you will see some improvement but you will see more when they direct x 11 goes live , since it more GPU than CPU. My war thunder saw a nice improvement and a detail jump with no hit. Crysis 3 game engine is a beast for anything to run if they can get it tweak will might see great things,

[Bullseye69]

just a update was tesing a new rig for my nephew still tweak and using my old HD MSI 7770 1gig card till I order his new card here are his specs.

AMD FX8350 Running stock speed over 4ghz
8 gigs of 1866 AMD ram DDR3
1 Wd Black 1 Tera byte hard drive
HD MSI hd 7770 1 gig card for testing

I have 7 game 5 of them using:
1440 by 900 res
medium details

The maps was Frozen colony night 3 times ,Crimson, Frozen city day

I never had lower than 42 fps econ using those setting, on high detail on the 2 maps I tried same res I got 35 on frozen and 30 on crimson that is with high detail.

This game is CPU dependent the reason I am saying this is just bought a XFX R9 270 X 2 gig video card I don't get those frame rates using it since I have a old 645 quad AMD Athlon.
I hope that when Direct X 11 goes in that it will be more about the video card than the processor then, looking for a good steady 40 frames a second at 1440 by 900 on medium to low setting. The new 270X card is the rebranded 7870 and has twice the power of the 7770 i had...

[I 0____o I]

Yes, I started running HWinfo + RivaTuner to display GPU+CPU usage on the last couple of drops. One of the 6 cores was often 90%+, another maybe 80 ish, and others are really not being very utilized at all. GPU was hanging around 60%, never reaching anywhere near max. This tells me the game is not very optimized at all, even though it doesn't do well on 2 cores.

Thing is, since I also play other games that do utilize 4+ cores efficiently, I'm not going to go out of my way to upgrade the CPU. So I can accept this as the state of the game at the moment, but I really hope it can be improved.

Side note: I now know why I was seeing near 100% GPU usage before, it's when a match ends, then the GPU jumps to 99% and frame rate goes up to like 80fps. I checked GPU usage previously by exiting out of the match and check the last several seconds that Afterburner reported, which is an inaccurate measure of in-game GPU usage.

Edited by GIANT TARGET, 26 November 2013 - 04:00 PM.

[RichAC]

Recommended specs are always bogus you should know that. Recommended specs usually = 30 fps which to these game companies is considered perfect. minimum requirements and playable to them, is the game running period and not crashing lol.

Your fps Does'n't have as much to do with the graphics card. It has more to do with clock speed, as it has been that way for 20 years with not much improvement for consumers for the past 10 years. (blame consoles)

IF you look at these benchmarks....http://gamegpu.ru/mmorpg-/-onlayn-igry/mechwarrior-online-test-gpu.html
(and if you can find the page with 1920-1080 on high settings and the 650ti, which for some reason i can't find on the web right now, but I have seen before and you can read them mention it maybe this is not the original link, you will see they still get nowhere near 60fps with 650ti) with an i7 4.8ghz!!!!

They did a real honest benchmark and they as well, like the reality of today even with paralell processing and gpu's powering over 90% of the processing for the super computers of the world when consumer software is cpu limited because parallel programming is too time consuming and costly and difficult, they also say the game is cpu dependent. (if you are not part of house liao use google translate)


I have a phenom II x4 2.8ghz.....and I get about the same fps at you. The passmark benchmarks for my cpu are horrible, as is most phenom II's. on the default low settings I get about 25 to 60 fps. (and honest 35 avg with full players alive) In that review they do say you get much better performance with 4 cores, even though 2 cores are mainly used still.

Never listen to delusional users and always go by official honest benchmarks.


All that ever matters to me is minimum fps and I'm below 30. (which means in heavy action spot on a wide open map with 24 players) One way to tell if your cpu limited is when the changing the resolution doesn't have a big impact on performance, so buying a better card probably won't help unless you got the cpu to reach the cards full potential.

Edited by RichAC, 27 November 2013 - 08:44 AM.

[ArmageddonKnight]

ok so...
Minimum Specs : The game runs, forget performancs ..it will just 'run'.
Recommended : The game is playable (30fps) at medium settings. (some times low settings)

What we as gamers want and should expect.

Minimum specs: The game runs at Low at 30FPS +
Recommended specs : the game runs at medium at 60FPS +

So .yea we aint gunan get that ..so basscialy, ignore minimum specs, and take recommended as the minimum specs instead, expect low FPS if using recommended specs.

If ur gpu is maxing out then obviosly ur settings are to high for the GPu ur using. the 650ti isnt really prper gaming card anyway, u could argue its entry level gaming, but only just. Personaly i consider the X60 entry level.

If ur GPU isnt maxed out and ur under the vsync cap (usually 60fps) then its likely ur CPu holding u back.

MWO isnt perfect in the way it uses its resources, even a rig like my own can somtimes see ub 60 FPS (50-60), and thats down to the optimisation. So a weaker CPU will ofc see even lower fps in such situations.

That said, If u want to experiance a really badly optimised game that really needs a brute force OC'd CPU, try playng GW2 in a WvW or the major city when its busy.

[RichAC]

ArmageddonKnight, on 27 November 2013 - 09:02 AM, said:

ok so...
Minimum Specs : The game runs, forget performancs ..it will just 'run'.
Recommended : The game is playable (30fps) at medium settings. (some times low settings)

What we as gamers want and should expect.

Minimum specs: The game runs at Low at 30FPS +
Recommended specs : the game runs at medium at 60FPS +

So .yea we aint gunan get that ..so basscialy, ignore minimum specs, and take recommended as the minimum specs instead, expect low FPS if using recommended specs.

If ur gpu is maxing out then obviosly ur settings are to high for the GPu ur using. the 650ti isnt really  prper gaming card anyway, u could argue its entry level gaming, but only just. Personaly i consider the X60 entry level.

If ur GPU isnt maxed out and ur under the vsync cap (usually 60fps) then its likely ur CPu holding u back.

MWO isnt perfect in the way it uses its resources, even a rig like my own can somtimes see ub 60 FPS (50-60), and thats down to the optimisation. So a weaker CPU will ofc see even lower fps in such situations.

That said, If u want to experiance a really badly optimised game that really needs a brute force OC'd CPU, try playng GW2 in a WvW or the major city when its busy.

Exactly. Well put.  Thats what I should of said.  Recommended is actually minimum settings in reality, its been that way forever for all pc games.

If i was in the market for new hardware I would use passmark cpu and gpu benchmarks to get good idea of performance and price.

I was going to buy gw2, since I was a fan of gw1.   Anticipated it for a long time,  even though player Syncing killed off most of the playerbase...... But i've heard many people state the same thing you have about it not running so good on their machines, and ridiculous qeue times that are hours long,  so I decided not to.     The whole reason for me getting it would be the world pvp too. Even worse in planetside 2.

I guess our programming and networking skills are just not there yet.  Our hardware I believe is,  I think the programming is just not caught up to the new age hardware.  Either we dont' have the human understanding yet or just the political will, time and resources..I feel 1994-2004 we saw huge advancedment in graphics,  but since then not much has changed, just names of hardware that doesn't really get utilized, and specs on paper.  It does cooncide with the focus on consoles but I dont' know if thats the sole reason.    I hope with the dx11 they are prioritizing performance over effects

But MWO is a kick *** game and very playable even on low settings with my {Scrap}  amd phenom II x4 820 cpu    and the only time 30 fps really annoys me is in a light mech...lol

Edited by RichAC, 27 November 2013 - 11:52 AM.

[Goose]

Dogmeat1, on 22 December 2013 - 02:04 AM, said:

The 650 is not a low-end video card; it is a previous generation top end card …

https://en.wikipedia...orce_600_Series

[v4skunk]

Bullseye69, on 24 November 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

I am running a athlon 2 645 and a xfx r270x card changed to the xfx from a msi hd7770 only saw a little improvement less yo yo but about the same frame rates can run some things on medium now instead of low. Be warned that you will see some improvement but you will see more when they direct x 11 goes live , since it more GPU than CPU. My war thunder saw a nice improvement and a detail jump with no hit. Crysis 3 game engine is a beast for anything to run if they can get it tweak will might see great things,

You only saw a little improvement when you upgraded from 7770 to R270x because your cpu is bottlenecking your graphics card.
You need a new cpu to use the full power of your graphics card.
EDIT: To the guy a few posts up^^^^ The GTX650 is a low end card gaming card with x60 mid, x70 high, x80 enthusiast.

Edited by v4skunk, 25 December 2013 - 06:18 PM.