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[1Sascha]

Squaddie of mine just sent me this link and I thought I'd share.

This looks pretty incredible - especially price-wise..

http://www.guru3d.co..._pcie_ssds.html



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[ArmageddonKnight]

They are still doubl the price of standard SSD's, and standard SSD's are still to expensive for the average PC builder.

Think about it, a SSD is the last thing u ad to a rig to increase performance since it only really affects loading times and very very rarely affects in game FPS. it can somtimes help reduce stutter.
If a person has £1000 budget, they are betetr of not spending £100 of that on a 128gb SSD, becouse that £100 can get them a better GPU or CPU that will give more performance than a SSD.

So going into a PCI-E SSD is even mroe less apealing. Infact the one u just linked has simular performance to 2x SSD's in raid 0. So buy 2x or 3x 60gb SSD drives stick them in raid 0 and u have the same performance or better and same size or better, at a lower costthan the 128gb PCI-E SSD.

Still ..its deffinatly a drop in the price of PCI-E SSD's which is nice to see.

Edited by ArmageddonKnight, 03 October 2013 - 06:20 AM.

[1Sascha]

Err.. yes ,that's why I included the quip about the prices in my post. The 1TB-thing is more expensive than my entire new rig (which includes a regular 256 GB SSD).

And it certainly wasn't meant as an ad for these new cards.. just an FYI.


What I find interesting about this (besides the added speed) is the fact that you can run an SSD without the need for another HDD-bay getting filled and without having to run additional cables through your case.


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Edited by 1Sascha, 05 October 2013 - 12:10 AM.

[Billygoat]

Working in computer retail, my experience of Mach Xtreme has been... not good. Failure rate of their products in general was high enough that we pretty much had to stop selling them altogether.

[ArmageddonKnight]

1Sascha, i did not intend for my post to sound like a direct counter argument against you

Was just putitng my point of view out their for any1 to discusss

And whilst i agree prices are high, like i said, they have atleast droped a good deal since I first looked them up a few years back.
I personaly woudl love to go full SSD with no HDD's just from a 'sound' point of view. i like a quiet rig but i dont like comprimising on performance, so i have a case designed for airflow over a case for silence, that means i need ot keep my cooling quiet, which is hard when ur running aircooling and not water. The additional noise from HDD's is one thing i look forward to removing.
But i wont be going full SSD untill i have finsihd my main performance upgrades. I want a second 780 , a custom water loop, and most importantly, Asus's 39" 4kmonitor when it comes out. All that will cost a fortune so buying more SSD's in any form is a ways of.

[Rushin Roulette]

Not really an option.

1 it takes up a PCI-E slot. Those are already limited on every motherboard... even if not used, most of them are blocked by oversized GPUs anyways. Most motherboards have at least 4 SATA connectors which are not easily blocked (mine even haas 8 SATA connectors, so I dont have to worry about those running out any time soon with my 1 SSD and 1 HDD).

2... wow that price. We are talking about a speed difference between 8 seconds to start Windows with a regular SSD and maybe 2-3 seconds with the PCI-E SSD... that price does not really justify 5-6 seconds., even if teh prices have dropped drastically.

Edited by Rushin Roulette, 04 October 2013 - 05:19 AM.

[ArmageddonKnight]

The average person has more PCE-I slots available than Sata 6/3gbsec connections imo.

Of the 6 Sata connections i have availabe on my P9X79 pro board (+ 2 for SSD cache) I have them all used. 1 SSD, 2 HHD's, 2 Optical Drives, 1 Front Panel.

PCI slots however, i have 4 x16/8, and 2 x1's. Even with a sound card and 2 double slot GPU's u can fit another card in.

GPU1 in top slot, GPU 2 in 5th slot (blocking slot 2 and 6) , leaving slot 3 and 4 for the soundcard and somthing else thats single slot width.

Some other motherboards have even better slot spacing.

Edited by ArmageddonKnight, 04 October 2013 - 09:22 AM.

[evilC]

First off, it is not that great.

Let's compare:
£321 for 256GB @ 800MB/s

OR

£115 for 256GB @ 500MB/s

So you could buy TWO of the normal SSDs, PLUS a PCI-E 2x RAID controller for less.

Put them in RAID 0 and you get double the storage, double-ish the performance, for ~60% of the cost.
In fact, you could probably get 3x 128GB drives, use RAID 5 or something for redundancy, and *still* have as much speed and storage.

Also, bear in mind the SATA connectors on many motherboards are rubbish. Most of them are only connected to the chipset by a 1x lane and are not able to handle the 6GB/sec that many drives are capable of. It so makes me laugh when you see a mobo with SATA RAID, but cannot even handle the bandwidth of one SATA SSD.

There would be zero point in plugging this card into a 1x lane. You would need a 2x lane to get the most out of it.

Oh, and many SSDs are unreliable. I am on my 3rd OCZ Vertex 4 already. (6 months to fail, 1 day for replacement to fail, waiting for next one now)

[Catamount]

evilC, on 05 October 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

Oh, and many SSDs are unreliable. I am on my 3rd OCZ Vertex 4 already. (6 months to fail, 1 day for replacement to fail, waiting for next one now)

Yep. Sandforce SSDs are definitely not very reliable.

[evilC]

Catamount, on 05 October 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

Yep. Sandforce SSDs are definitely not very reliable.

The Vertex 4 is IndiLinx not SandForce.

[Catamount]

evilC, on 05 October 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

The Vertex 4 is IndiLinx not SandForce.

OCZ moves away from Sandforce controllers and still ends up with self-destructing drives? I'm impressed. I had a Vertex 2E myself; it died in six months. When I have the money next semester I'll probably get a Samsung 840 Evo.

Edited by Catamount, 05 October 2013 - 10:11 AM.

[ArmageddonKnight]

OCZ havnt had much success with reliabilty with their SSD' it seems.

Personaly i use a Corsair Performance Pro ..good luck finding info online about them,, they came out, dominated performance for like 1 weeks, then disaprered lol. Still i have no complaints about it.

the Samsung 840 Evo is the best out atm. The 840 Pro's are just as good but they are more expensive.

Edited by ArmageddonKnight, 05 October 2013 - 04:08 PM.