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[AlexEss]

Cuddlytron, on 08 October 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

Russ Bullock also just posted a pic of Shadowhawk on his Twitter: https://twitter.com/...3078784/photo/1

sweet merciful zeus that thing is a XL death-trap...

Apart form that it looks very nice i think.

FupDup, on 08 October 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

Looks like yet another medium that's way too tall,

Tall mediums are not that much of a problem.. it is the slow mediums that are...

Edited by AlexEss, 08 October 2013 - 12:40 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Cathy, on 08 October 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

This I think is the optimum and sensible hit boxes, just legs below the waist, I'm not to sure of, legging would come back into fashion, though, it might change builds and weapon load outs, where people don't scimp on leg armour, so i'm wavering on that quit a bit.

Though I think the hit boxes Carrion and yourself fear, are sadly going to be the most likely, causing more forum chaos, I'm trying to be optimistic.

Very true.

I would also note, that mech crotches are currently CT, and quite a few mechs do still guard their CT pretty well, overall, so I think mine have a better "balance" as it were than the "all leg" approach, which while I like it, might make the CT "too protected". (Though it would make mine and Kiriage's King Crab model freaking BEAST).

Regardless, as long as the CT has a higher survival rate than the Orion, I will probably consider it acceptable.

FupDup, on 08 October 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

Looks like yet another medium that's way too tall, basically the same size as the Battlemaster. Good model though, minus the incredibly awkward and oversized double-thumbs.

well. Still hate the head, but at least they finally started putting their waists on a diet. It looks more svelte and agile than the concept art. Gives me higher hopes for the THUD and the Wolvie and Griff.

[New Day]

FupDup, on 08 October 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Technically, the Stalker and Victor kind of already killed the Awesome, and the art department pitched into its death by their scaling and hitboxing of it.

If anything, the Battlemaster might provide some competition for the Stalker (namely due to big shieldish arms).

I stand corrected...


An Awesome has much better maneuverability than the stalker and the Victor has different hard points. The main Battlemaster obsoletes both the 8Q (hardpoints) and the 9M (speed).

Edited by NamesAreStupid, 08 October 2013 - 12:42 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

AlexEss, on 08 October 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

sweet merciful zeus that thing is a XL death-trap...

Apart form that it looks very nice i think.




Tall mediums are not that much of a problem.. it is the slow mediums that are...

XL death trap? Look at the frikking cockpit. The thing doesn't have any particularly useful panes to pick from so the boundaries are gonna have to either be must picked outta thin air, or more likely, be as easy to head shot as a Catapult.

the other question will be does the SRM rack count as CT or ST, since we know it ain't the head.

[AlexEss]

Well the same can be said for a lot of modern automotive production... And we still have more then one make and model at the time.

Bishop Steiner, on 08 October 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

XL death trap? Look at the frikking cockpit. The thing doesn't have any particularly useful panes to pick from so the boundaries are gonna have to either be must picked outta thin air, or more likely, be as easy to head shot as a Catapult.

the other question will be does the SRM rack count as CT or ST, since we know it ain't the head.

My guess it will have a similar size to the HBK. As for the rack, Same as the other head mounted launchers i guess.

Edited by AlexEss, 08 October 2013 - 12:45 PM.

[C E Dwyer]

Cuddlytron, on 08 October 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

Russ Bullock also just posted a pic of Shadowhawk on his Twitter: https://twitter.com/...3078784/photo/1

They nailed the shadow hawk, its great

[Carrioncrows]

The shadowhawk does look "mostly" good.

Though the torso looks a little wide for my tastes. Or that they just have the arms to far out from the torso.

[C E Dwyer]

Carrioncrows, on 08 October 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

The shadowhawk does look "mostly" good.

Though the torso looks a little wide for my tastes. Or that they just have the arms to far out from the torso.

yup, arms to far out, much like the only quibble i had about the Victor

[Bishop Steiner]

my "optimistic" hit box map?

Cathy, on 08 October 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

yup, arms to far out, much like the only quibble i had about the Victor

I actually prefer it, makes it look less cramped and stocky. They look less like power armor suits IMO with the extra armpit distance. And it certainly hasn't hampered effectiveness on the VTR.

[Carrioncrows]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 October 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

my "optimistic" hit box map?



I actually prefer it, makes it look less cramped and stocky. They look less like power armor suits IMO with the extra armpit distance. And it certainly hasn't hampered effectiveness on the VTR.

Definitely Optimistic. =)

Looking back at the Highlander, QKD and the Victor should tell you exactly how these hitboxes will be handled.

Like this:



They LOVE having the LT and RT sit on top of the CT hitbox for some reason.

Edited by Carrioncrows, 08 October 2013 - 01:47 PM.

[Tundara]

So excited for both these mechs. Going to have to save up my c-bills for next week. They both look great.

[General Taskeen]

Carrioncrows, on 08 October 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

CT Protrusion just like the awesome =(

I'll have to wait till I see it in person but it just looks like they took the worst aspects and accented them.

Here is how the Hitboxes will look:




This is how the Hitboxes SHOULD work but won't

I was thinking the SAME exact thing when I saw the screenshot. PGI said they had hitboxes heavily mind for the Phoenix Mechs. But, if it is not taken seriously like your suggestions, not only will twisting not matter with a Battle Master (crotch shot), but it will easily die from core shots and basically only be "useable" with a huge XL engine.

[Bishop Steiner]

ok, gas to be asked......

WHERE'S MY THUD!!!!!!!

[C E Dwyer]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 October 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

my "optimistic" hit box map?



I actually prefer it, makes it look less cramped and stocky. They look less like power armor suits IMO with the extra armpit distance. And it certainly hasn't hampered effectiveness on the VTR.

Your right it hasn't hampered performance and of course wider pits less chance of B.O. wider ball mounted arms just remind me of Cheeta, from Tarzan, and of course when piloting I can't see them

[Imperius]

I think they missed a lot of important details on the Battlemaster. I hope this was an Alpha build pic, and the final actually looks like the concept. Cockpit seems dragged more into the CT and is more narrow also taller than the concept, Arms are just wrong. Lack of decals and wording. Various missing bevels and construed proportions. Feet even look a tad off. Missile box is too big. Main gripes though is the Arms, lack of decals, and Cockpit proportions. Get those fixed and I'll be able to deal with it.

Edited by Imperius, 08 October 2013 - 02:43 PM.

[C E Dwyer]

Imperius, on 08 October 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

I think they missed a lot of important details on the Battlemaster. I hope this was an Alpha build pic, and the final actually looks like the concept. Cockpit seems dragged more into the CT and is more narrow also taller than the concept, Arms are just wrong. Lack of decals and wording. Various missing bevels and construed proportions. Feet even look a tad off. Missile box is too big. Main gripes though is the Arms, lack of decals, and Cockpit proportions. Get those fixed and I'll be able to deal with it.

Unlikely it concept, as its only a week to delivery, but we can hope, for cockpit higher, or shoulders lower and a smaller missile pod

[Toe Cutter]

theta123, on 08 October 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

Yes

yes....YEEEEESSSS

imma replace those shoulder pads with speakers, Blasting Iron maiden trough them!

Oh man, can I please please please have an Eddie skin for my Battlemaster!

[SgtMagor]

kewl pics, BM has huge arms, should be able to use an XL and not worry about your side torsos that much.
btw leak a Tbolt pic

Edited by SgtMagor, 08 October 2013 - 03:19 PM.

[Finn McShae]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 October 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

ok, gas to be asked......

WHERE'S MY THUD!!!!!!!

So, now that I've got a computer again... I agree, where's the THUD!!!!!

BLR looks pretty good, those armshields should really help even with its "hunch" tubes (which are probably better left off anyway).

As for the CT issue, I've only got a half-dozen or so matches in an Orion so far and I've been pleased with its survivability. Been pretty solid in some hairy situations and I've mostly had my sides armor-less and deep into structure before I went pop. It FEELS a bit sturdier than my Victors at this point. So if its like that with the BLR I'll be happy.

[Kiiyor]

Because an informed mechwarrior is a worthy opponent:



That CT looks nice and thin... but the southbound areas seem to to have been inflicted with Atlas-itis of the crotch. Just so you know.