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[MadCat02]

If you piloting assault and you have 3 lights in your lance you obviously not going to work together .

It would be so much better if lances were balanced around weight class.

I can't use markers to tell lances what to do because they are mixed with fast and slow mechs .

Maybe you could let people change lances during start up .

Edited by MadCat02, 12 October 2013 - 11:52 AM.

[Biglead]

That's fine, but don't come crying when that lance turns around and cores your back through your chest for splitting them up.


Edit: you have that option if you take company command at the start of the match, but...read above.

Edited by Biglead, 12 October 2013 - 12:01 PM.

[James The Fox Dixon]

MadCat02, on 12 October 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

If you piloting assault and you have 3 lights in your lance you obviously not going to work together .

It would be so much better if lances were balanced around weight class.

I can't use markers to tell lances what to do because they are mixed with fast and slow mechs .

Maybe you could let people change lances during start up .

I should be based upon the role of the parent unit, so I'll dust off the BT Universe Drop Limits I developed.

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Line Regiments

• Heavy Assault BattleMech regiments consisted of mainly heavy-to-assault weight BattleMechs and a fourth company of artillery. The main assault force of the SLDF, most corps possessed at least a single Heavy Assault regiment.
  
• Battle BattleMech regiments were the core of most BattleMech brigades, consisting of medium-to-heavy weight 'Mechs.
  
• Striker BattleMech regiments were reconnaissance and breakthrough formations. Composed of light-to-medium weight 'Mechs, they also included a Recon company of Land Air 'Mechs, and usually had pairs of ASF assigned for their use.

Independent Regiments

• Dragoon BattleMech regiments were composed of heavy-to-assault weight 'Mechs, tanks and hovercraft, their primary purpose being to fight against well-equipped enemies.
  
• Hussar BattleMech regiments were the most common of the Independent regiments, composed of medium-to-heavy 'Mechs, tanks and hovercraft.
  
• Light Horse BattleMech regiments were primarily reconnaissance units, often the first one dropped onto a world to discover the enemy's strengths. Emphasizing light-to-medium weight 'Mechs and vehicles, at least two companies used dedicated information-gathering units like Ostscouts.

Line Companies

• Heavy Assault Company: 1 recon lance [2 light mechs and 2 medium mechs], 1 lance of Heavy mechs [4 heavy mechs], and 1 lance of Heavy-Assault [1 heavy mech and 3 assault mechs].
  
• Recon Lance: 120-180
  
• Heavy Lance: 240-300
  
• Heavy-Assault Lance: 300-375
  
• Total Drop Weight Limit: 660-855 tons

• Battle Company: 1 recon lance [4 light mechs], 1 striker lance [4 medium mechs], and 1 heavy lance [2 medium mechs and 2 heavy mechs].
  
• Recon Lance: 80-140
  
• Striker Lance: 160-220
  
• Heavy Lance: 200-260
  
• Total Drop Weight Limit: 440-620 tons

• Striker Company: 1 recon lance [4 light mechs], striker lance [2 light mechs and 2 medium mechs], and a second striker lance [2 medium mechs and 2 heavy mechs].
  
• Recon Lance: 80-140
  
• 1^st Striker Lance: 160-220
  
• 2^nd Striker Lance: 200-260
  
• Total Drop Weight Limit: 440-620 tons

Independent Companies

• Dragoon Company: 1 recon lance [2 light mechs and 2 medium mechs], 1 lance of Heavy mechs [4 heavy mechs], and 1 lance of Heavy-Assault [1 heavy mech and 3 assault mechs].
  
• Recon Lance: 120-180
  
• Heavy Lance: 240-300
  
• Heavy-Assault Lance: 300-375
  
• Total Drop Weight Limit: 660-855 tons

• Hussar Company: 1 recon lance [4 light mechs], 1 striker lance [4 medium mechs], and 1 heavy lance [2 medium mechs and 2 heavy mechs].
  
• Recon Lance: 80-140
  
• Striker Lance: 160-220
  
• Heavy Lance: 190-260
  
• Total Drop Weight Limit: 440-620 tons

• Light Horse Company: 1 recon lance [4 light mechs], striker lance [2 light mechs and 2 medium mechs], and a second striker lance [2 medium mechs and 2 heavy mechs].
  
• Recon Lance: 80-140
  
• 1^st Striker Lance: 160-220
  
• 2^nd Striker Lance: 200-260
  
• Total Drop Weight Limit: 440-620 tons

House Unit Limits

House Davion

• Militias, Lancer, Light Cavalry, Cavalier, and Chasseur units adhere to the Striker drop limits.
  
• Fusilier units adhere to the Dragoon drop limits.
  
• Hussars are the same.
  
• Davion Guards utilizes Heavy-Assault, Battle, and Striker drop limits depending upon the unit.

House Steiner

• Guards adhere to Battle or Heavy-Assault drop limits depending upon the unit.
  
• Royal Guards adhere to the Heavy-Assault drop limits.
  
• Jager, Cavalier, and Regulars use Striker drop limits.

House Kurita

• Regulars and Sword of Light adhere to Heavy-Assault, Battle, or Striker drop limits depending upon the unit.
  
• Genyosha and Otomo adhere to Heavy-Assault drop limits.
  
• Izanagi Warriors adhere to Battle drop limits.
  
• Amphigean Light Assault Group, Arkab Legion, Ghost, Regulars, Night Stalkers, and Legion of Vega adheres to Striker drop limits.
  
• Ryuken adhere to Dragoon drop limits.
  
• Hussars adhere to Hussar drop limits.

House Marik

• Defenders of Andurien and Legionnaires Heavy-Assault, Battle, or Striker drop limits depending upon the unit.
  
• Guards adhere to Striker drop limits.
  
• Hussars adhere to Hussar drop limits.
  
• Dragoons and Fusilier adhere to Dragoon drop limits.
  
• Grenadiers adhere to Heavy-Assault drop limits.

House Liao

House Liao would use the same drop limits as previously stated for similarly named units in other Houses. For example, Grenadiers adhere to Heavy-Assault drop limits.
This should be the ideal drop weights based upon what a unit is classified as. Lone wolves would have to adopt this structure for CW drops. Merc and House units are already classified accordingly. Some exceptions would apply to some Houses like Steiner that fields the most mechs that weigh between 60-75 tons.

Clans

All Clan units are designated into the following categories: Striker, Battle, and Assault. Clans no longer use Dragoon, Hussar, and Light Horse designations of independent units. For the purposes of MWO, I will assume that the games will be a Binary vs. an IS Company i.e. 10 vs. 12.

• Heavy Assault Binary: 1 recon star [3 light mechs and 2 medium mechs] and 1 star of Heavy-Assault mechs [3 heavy mechs and 2 assault mechs].
  
• Recon Star: 140-215 tons
  
• Heavy-Assault Star: 340-425 tons
  
• Drop Weight Limit: 480-640 tons

• Battle Binary: 1 recon star [2 light mechs and 3 medium mechs] and 1 heavy star [3 medium mechs and 2 heavy mechs].
  
• Recon Star: 160-235 tons
  
• Heavy Star: 240-315 tons
  
• Drop Weight Limit: 400-550 tons

• Striker Binary: 1 recon star [4 light mechs and 1 medium mech] and a striker star [3 medium mechs and 2 heavy mechs].
  
• Recon Star: 120-195 tons
  
• Striker Star: 270-315 tons
  
• Drop Weight Limit: 390-510 tons

[Wintersdark]

MadCat02, on 12 October 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

If you piloting assault and you have 3 lights in your lance you obviously not going to work together .

It would be so much better if lances were balanced around weight class.

I can't use markers to tell lances what to do because they are mixed with fast and slow mechs .

Maybe you could let people change lances during start up .

You know you can change lances at startup, right? On the ready screen?

However, be aware that people will likely get right pissed if they are a premade group dropping together too.