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[Meldarth Sunphot]

JRock and Profit Stone - honestly depends on what you want to spend honestly.......

Intel or AMD cpus both are fine - both will do the job and in the end you can't tell the difference between the two.

If price is an issue; AMD is bit more wallet friendly - specially if you go APU route.....

but without actually knowing a budget I can't really say which way is best......as both work well

Also if you're looking for decent budget laptop that will play this......Don't go with Intel graphics......*shutters*

New APU from AMD - Trinity will play this and play it well at its screen size......

Edited by Meldarth Sunphot, 15 June 2012 - 07:10 PM.

[Blackfire1]

I'm running a
Intel Q6600 quad 2.4 OC to 3.0ghz
8 gigs 1066 DDR2 ram
2 2g 560gtx Ti's in SLI

And I'm playing on a 42" LCDTV at 1920x1080 and 120hz.

To be honest, I can run half this and still be fine.

[Talisaerin]

Are these official specs? From the gameplay trailers I can't see why the minimums are so High.

My System:

AMD Phenom II Quad 2.10 GHz
RAM: 4 GB
Windows 7 64-Bit
AMD Radeon HD 6650M (laptop built in Graphics card)
And Several Hundred gigs of Free Space on my HDD.

This system has been able to handle Skyrim, FarCry, Crysis, Crysis2, and several other higher end games set to highest graphical detail. I can concede that I may not be able to get the Best graphics that the game has to offer, but that wouldn't stop me from enjoying the game.

[gamesguy]

Lagoth, on 15 June 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

http://www.tigerdire...0890&CatId=7387[/url] ($54.99) CPU Name: AMD FX™-6100 Six-Core Processor CPU Speeds: 3300 Physical CPUs: 1 Virtual CPUs: 6 http://www.tigerdire...961&CatId=7341]

This is terrible, the 6100 is a really really bad CPU for gaming, an i3-2120 for the same price is like 80% faster. Right now there is absolutely no reason to buy AMD if you plan on gaming with it.

Meldarth Sunphot, on 15 June 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Intel or AMD cpus both are fine - both will do the job and in the end you can't tell the difference between the two.

This is hilariously false, intel CPUs currently stomp AMD ones to the ground when it comes to gaming performance. AMD lost the race so hard they stopped trying to make desktop CPUs and have gone back to making server CPUs only.

The difference isn't small either, we're talking 50+% advantage to intel at the same price point.

Edited by gamesguy, 15 June 2012 - 07:38 PM.

[Aidan Malchor]

Yeah, when AMD's latest shot at bringin their CPU's up to par fell way short they pretty much set intels i3 and i5 as the only reasonable choice for decent CPU's for decent price. i7's can still be pricey but some pretty nice specs on them.

[Meldarth Sunphot]

gamesguy, on 15 June 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

This is terrible, the 6100 is a really really bad CPU for gaming, an i3-2120 for the same price is like 80% faster. Right now there is absolutely no reason to buy AMD if you plan on gaming with it.





This is hilariously false, intel CPUs currently stomp AMD ones to the ground when it comes to gaming performance. AMD lost the race so hard they stopped trying to make desktop CPUs and have gone back to making server CPUs only.

The difference isn't small either, we're talking 50+% advantage to intel at the same price point.

I build these systems for a living - you set i5/i7 side by side with AMD FX system - same video card......and let customers run through a few games on it; guess what..........they can't tell the difference......that is the truth......

You want to argue Intel is so much better? in certain areas yea.......I have no problem saying in lightly threaded items; Intel rules; soon as things become more threaded; AMD comes back a lot.......

Another fact - if you want same features on that you find on AMD motherboard; you'll have to pay alot more for them on Intel motherboard.....

You will not be hurt by going AMD cpu - not one bit........if you want Intel that's fine also.......but telling people AMD's cpu can't do same as Intel is false......

[The Fridge]

I might as well toss in what i'm currently building and see what y'all think

CPU: i7-3770 @ 3.4GHz (3.9GHz Turbo, ivy bridge)
RAM: 8GB (to start)
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850
SSD: OCZ Agility 3 120G (500G HDD as backup in case i don't like the SSD)
Mobo: Asus P8Z77-V PRO

Its my first build, so i may be paying for more than i really need, but that's how you learn... right?

[gamesguy]

Meldarth Sunphot, on 15 June 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

I build these systems for a living - you set i5/i7 side by side with AMD FX system - same video card......and let customers run through a few games on it; guess what..........they can't tell the difference......that is the truth......

Nonsense, benchmarks don't lie.

If by "they can't tell the difference" you mean, "lie to my customers and put all settings to medium and don't show fps" then sure.

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You want to argue Intel is so much better? in certain areas yea.......I have no problem saying in lightly threaded items; Intel rules; soon as things become more threaded; AMD comes back a lot.......

Another fact - if you want same features on that you find on AMD motherboard; you'll have to pay alot more for them on Intel motherboard.....

You will not be hurt by going AMD cpu - not one bit........if you want Intel that's fine also.......but telling people AMD's cpu can't do same as Intel is false......

Again nonsense, I can't think of a single game that takes advantage of 6 cores. At the same price point(except ultra low, like below $80) intel CPUs just plain outperform AMD ones for gaming.

You're literally arguing against every CPU benchmark as well as AMD itself which admitted their desktop CPUs are crap and dropped out of the desktop CPU market.

Edited by gamesguy, 15 June 2012 - 08:22 PM.

[Chet Manley]

Folks. No need to heat things up over brand loyalty.

Some people here are looking for build advice.

Not hostile retort after hostile retort. Save it for the game.

[Shivus]

The Fridge, on 15 June 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

I might as well toss in what i'm currently building and see what y'all think

CPU: i7-3770 @ 3.4GHz (3.9GHz Turbo, ivy bridge)
RAM: 8GB (to start)
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850
SSD: OCZ Agility 3 120G (500G HDD as backup in case i don't like the SSD)
Mobo: Asus P8Z77-V PRO

Its my first build, so i may be paying for more than i really need, but that's how you learn... right?

An i5 2500k is fine, the i7 only has hyperthreading, so unless you're doing heavy computing, it will be wasted. If you go with the ivybridge i5, you're going to want an aftermarked HSF like the coolermaster hyper 212 evo. You'll even want it with the 2500k as the entire point of the "k" is to overclock the chip. If you're not overclocking go with a non "k" variant.

ram is fine, 8gb should be no more than $50, just go with a reliable brand.
good gpu
mobo is good.

Don't use OCZ for anything. For a good SSD go with Crucial or Intel.

Also don't get a bigger PSU than you need. That system will be good with a nice seasonic 520w PSU. Go into the 600's if you want plenty of room for future expansion.

Edited by Shivus, 15 June 2012 - 08:29 PM.

[Chet Manley]

Shivus, on 15 June 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Also don't get a bigger PSU than you need. That system will be good with a nice seasonic 520w PSU. Go into the 600's if you want plenty of room for future expansion.

For that future crossfire action!

[Shivus]

Chet Manley, on 15 June 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

For that future crossfire action!

Yeah a 650w will let you crossfire 7850's nicely.

[Walter Soebchak]

Meldarth Sunphot, on 15 June 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

I build these systems for a living - you set i5/i7 side by side with AMD FX system - same video card......and let customers run through a few games on it; guess what..........they can't tell the difference......that is the truth......

You want to argue Intel is so much better? in certain areas yea.......I have no problem saying in lightly threaded items; Intel rules; soon as things become more threaded; AMD comes back a lot.......

Another fact - if you want same features on that you find on AMD motherboard; you'll have to pay alot more for them on Intel motherboard.....

You will not be hurt by going AMD cpu - not one bit........if you want Intel that's fine also.......but telling people AMD's cpu can't do same as Intel is false......

I agree, except I will be the first to admit that upgrading to an fx from my phenom II was a bad decisions. No gain, possibly even a loss in perceived performance. Would have totally switched back if I hadn't shipped the phenom off to my little brother across the country.

[Walter Soebchak]

even significantly overclocked, my fx doesn't perform to the level it should.

[Teralitha]

I suggest looking at Hewlet Packard for decent low cost gaming PC. I bought this one from them about 1.5 yrs ago for $1500ish

AMD 1090T 6X processor
Radeon HD 5670 eyefinity multi monitor card, 2gb ram(or 3gb I forget)
16 GB ram
1 TB HD memory
24inch HD LCD monitor
Came with Windows 7

I spent $50 to replace the stock powersupply, after I got it. It wasnt enough to power the system for gaming. 300 watt to 420 watt.

They had/have builds much cheaper that would work, I got this so I wouldnt have to buy a new computer for at least 5 years or more.

Edited by Teralitha, 15 June 2012 - 08:57 PM.

[LordDeathStrike]

Chet Manley, on 15 June 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

also, for those who want another laptop to play WMO on. check out powernotebooks.com.

no no no no, go to xoticpc.com, they carry from under 1k to over 3k models for sagers asus msi and house built setups, laptops you can game on for years. they also do desktops now i guess, for those of you not inclined to self assembly and stress test burning in yourself.

i buy my 3k dollar budget sager sli/xfire laptops from them, the service is top notch, theyre actually in america zomg!

[The Fridge]

Shivus, on 15 June 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

An i5 2500k is fine, the i7 only has hyperthreading, so unless you're doing heavy computing, it will be wasted. If you go with the ivybridge i5, you're going to want an aftermarked HSF like the coolermaster hyper 212 evo. You'll even want it with the 2500k as the entire point of the "k" is to overclock the chip. If you're not overclocking go with a non "k" variant.

ram is fine, 8gb should be no more than $50, just go with a reliable brand.
good gpu
mobo is good.

Don't use OCZ for anything. For a good SSD go with Crucial or Intel.

Also don't get a bigger PSU than you need. That system will be good with a nice seasonic 520w PSU. Go into the 600's if you want plenty of room for future expansion.

Thanks for the feed back. Sadly I already have the mobo and cpu in my room and the ssd (and gpu now) are on their way. I was planning on a 600-650W power supply in case I decide to crossfire. For RAM I was looking at Patriot. They look fairly reliable according to reviews i've read.

[Chet Manley]

LordDeathStrike, on 15 June 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

no no no no

I mentioned powernotebooks b/c I picked up an i7 lappy from them w/ 8gb ram and a 560 for right around a grand. Three yr warranty to boot.

Also had great service.

Guess its just a matter of preference.

[Vulpesveritas]

gamesguy, on 15 June 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

This is terrible, the 6100 is a really really bad CPU for gaming, an i3-2120 for the same price is like 80% faster. Right now there is absolutely no reason to buy AMD if you plan on gaming with it.





This is hilariously false, intel CPUs currently stomp AMD ones to the ground when it comes to gaming performance. AMD lost the race so hard they stopped trying to make desktop CPUs and have gone back to making server CPUs only.

The difference isn't small either, we're talking 50+% advantage to intel at the same price point.

Umm.. hi, you do know metro is a dual-threaded game... the FX-4170 is a better processor at this price point, and there is a reason that most benchmark sites don't have it, despite it's performance advantage against an i3. as you can see here; http://www.guru3d.co...ce-benchmarks/6
there isn't much difference between chips. Keep in mind, an FX-4170 is slightly faster than a Phenom II X4 980 at stock.
And as you can see here in a Passmark score; http://www.cpubenchm...-4170+Quad-Core
The FX-4170 outperforms the i5-2500k in price / performance.
The FX-6200 is a better deal, performing slightly better than a 1100t for $160, although lower threaded games will be slightly slower.
Then we see here;

Conclusion; Better threaded games favor bulldozer, games running havok or are lightly threaded favor Intel.
AMD is cheaper, you can overclock at lower price points, and have a better upgrade path, plus you get more motherboard features.


So either is fine in the end. Though generally for games you're better off going for a better graphics card at 720p and above than worrying about your CPU. that $70 difference between an i5 and an FX-6200 is much better off going for the next step up GPU in the end, until you hit the Geforce GTX 670 / Radeon HD 7970 level.
As you can see here;

See much of a difference whatsoever on the CPU side save for that dual core A4?

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 15 June 2012 - 09:07 PM.

[Shivus]

Teralitha, on 15 June 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

I suggest looking at Hewlet Packard for decent low cost gaming PC. I bought this one from them about 1.5 yrs ago for $1500ish

AMD 1090T 6X processor
Radeon HD 5670 eyefinity multi monitor card, 2gb ram(or 3gb I forget)
16 GB ram
1 TB HD memory
24inch HD LCD monitor
Came with Windows 7

I spent $50 to replace the stock powersupply, after I got it. It wasnt enough to power the system for gaming. 300 watt to 420 watt.

They had/have builds much cheaper that would work, I got this so I wouldnt have to buy a new computer for at least 5 years or more.

Prebuilts are generally overpriced, and I hate to say it, but this is really not a gaming machine, it looks more like a multimedia, video editor and rendering platform. Overkill CPU for a drastically underpowered GPU, more ram than necessary for gaming, more vram than necessary for what the card can handle in gaming.

For $1000 you can build a significantly better gaming system.