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[Dimento Graven]

I've been piloting the Jagermech along with quite a few other 'mechs for a while now and I have come to the conclusion that the Jagermech needs to have the side torso hit boxes re-examined.

Compared to just about every other 'mech in the weight class, the Jagermech has a 20% greater chance to have a side torso hit, regardless of where a round hits, even visually, a CT/Leg/ARM hit almost always results in a side torso taking damage too.

This puts the Jagermech at a ridiculous disadvantage when it comes to equipping engines. If you want to be able to survive that 3 hit side torso coring then you need to drop in a standard engine, only that of course means you have to sacrifice a LOT of speed, or a LOT of fire power, making the 'mech either a sitting duck or next to useless.

Amazingly enough even Cataphracts with their HUGE side torsos are more survivable than Jagers.

Please look into it, I really do believe there is a hit box problem of some sort.

[Adiuvo]

The Jagermech is a flat box. Their hitboxes reflect this appropriately.

Besides that the Jagermech is well balanced and given that nearly everyone runs XL engines in them, I wouldn't say there is too much of a problem.

[Dimento Graven]

Adiuvo, on 20 October 2013 - 10:26 AM, said:

The Jagermech is a flat box. Their hitboxes reflect this appropriately.

Besides that the Jagermech is well balanced and given that nearly everyone runs XL engines in them, I wouldn't say there is too much of a problem.

I disagree, yes, nearly everyone runs XL engines in them, then all they have to do is hit "near" a side torso, meaning, shoot a Jager in the hand, side torso ALSO takes damage. Shoot a Jager in the little toe, the side torso ALSO takes damage.

It's seems to be extremely nonsensical how often the side torsos get hit.

Besides, I don't believe those pictures, which seem to be taken from the 'mech bay representation of the mech, actually represent the IN MATCH "hit box" locations. Either "splash" damage is being incorrectly calculated on them, or the hit boxes are malfed, either way this is something that needs to be looked into.

Oh, and you completely missed my point about the XL engine, yes, nearly everyone puts XL engines in their Jagers, why? Because to NOT do so means you're taking the double whammy of movement AND turn speed reductions which results in a 'mech that's barely better than a turret, and extremely susceptible to light 'mech attack.

With XL's you just have to hope no one ever shoots at you and hits you ANYWHERE on your body, because no matter what, your side torsos are probably going to take damage and, in probably 3 hits, you're more than likely cored and out of the match.

Edited by Dimento Graven, 20 October 2013 - 10:37 AM.

[YueFei]

Dimento Graven, on 20 October 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

I disagree, yes, nearly everyone runs XL engines in them, then all they have to do is hit "near" a side torso, meaning, shoot a Jager in the hand, side torso ALSO takes damage. Shoot a Jager in the little toe, the side torso ALSO takes damage.

It's seems to be extremely nonsensical how often the side torsos get hit.

Besides, I don't believe those pictures, which seem to be taken from the 'mech bay representation of the mech, actually represent the IN MATCH "hit box" locations. Either "splash" damage is being incorrectly calculated on them, or the hit boxes are malfed, either way this is something that needs to be looked into.

There was a hitbox indexing issue that was supposedly fixed in the latest patch. You know, where you hit someone's foot, but the game applies the damage to an arm, haha.

Are you still having this problem since that last patch? Maybe they still haven't fixed it properly, or they haven't fixed it properly for the Jagermech. You know, like how streak SRMs were always homing in on Blackjack center torsos.

[Mudhutwarrior]

I would compare yeagers to mediums as far as absorbing damage but the caveat it that jeagers well laid out deal awesome damage. I think if they changed hitboxes they would be overpowered and I drive a jeager regularly. It is my fav heavy by far.

[Dimento Graven]

YueFei, on 20 October 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

There was a hitbox indexing issue that was supposedly fixed in the latest patch. You know, where you hit someone's foot, but the game applies the damage to an arm, haha.

Are you still having this problem since that last patch? Maybe they still haven't fixed it properly, or they haven't fixed it properly for the Jagermech. You know, like how streak SRMs were always homing in on Blackjack center torsos.

As far as I can tell the fix has been, "Oh the hit box that actually gets hit ALSO takes damage." It's why any time I take damage on an arm, leg, or CT, I ALSO seem to take identical simultaneous damage on my side torsos too.

Mudhutwarrior, on 20 October 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

I would compare yeagers to mediums as far as absorbing damage but the caveat it that jeagers well laid out deal awesome damage. I think if they changed hitboxes they would be overpowered and I drive a jeager regularly. It is my fav heavy by far.

I disagree that they'd be overpowered, they'd just be able to take the appropriate amount of damage as intended. As it is, they seem to die 99.9999999999999% of the time due to side torso coring, and why? Because this 'mech has some sort of hit box/detection issue, the exact opposite of lighter smaller 'mechs.

[RandomLurker]

Sounds like a fair trade for the incredible sniping positioned arms. Nothing to see here, move along.

[Homeless Bill]

No.

[Imperius]

Dimento Graven, on 20 October 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

I've been piloting the Jagermech along with quite a few other 'mechs for a while now and I have come to the conclusion that the Jagermech needs to have the side torso hit boxes re-examined.

Compared to just about every other 'mech in the weight class, the Jagermech has a 20% greater chance to have a side torso hit, regardless of where a round hits, even visually, a CT/Leg/ARM hit almost always results in a side torso taking damage too.

This puts the Jagermech at a ridiculous disadvantage when it comes to equipping engines. If you want to be able to survive that 3 hit side torso coring then you need to drop in a standard engine, only that of course means you have to sacrifice a LOT of speed, or a LOT of fire power, making the 'mech either a sitting duck or next to useless.

Amazingly enough even Cataphracts with their HUGE side torsos are more survivable than Jagers.

Please look into it, I really do believe there is a hit box problem of some sort.

Spyder needs it's hitboxes fixed first. Play the Jagger as reserved support fire and you'll do fine. You don't brawl in those things at all.

[Tincan Nightmare]

Dimento Graven, on 20 October 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

As far as I can tell the fix has been, "Oh the hit box that actually gets hit ALSO takes damage." It's why any time I take damage on an arm, leg, or CT, I ALSO seem to take identical simultaneous damage on my side torsos too.

I disagree that they'd be overpowered, they'd just be able to take the appropriate amount of damage as intended. As it is, they seem to die 99.9999999999999% of the time due to side torso coring, and why? Because this 'mech has some sort of hit box/detection issue, the exact opposite of lighter smaller 'mechs.

I think this is more of an issue of pilot aim, as most players know that Jags run XL's the majority of the time and just aim for the side torsos. You might be seeing damage spreading slightly If your taking laser fire and the beam is moving across the locations. Most players want to go for the kill, which means if you suspect an XL you shoot'em in the side. If you can get a decent build without an XL, it usually comes as a surprise to an enemy when he shoots of a torso of your Jag and you still keep fighting .

[RandomLurker]

To clarify, the hitboxes are perfectly fine. Unlike most mechs, the Jager doesn't have arms hanging low to protect them, so you take more hits there then other mechs. This, plus a combination of people aiming for side torsos on purpose, is what you are seeing.

[the huanglong]

The CT does seem a *little* narrow.

[Lefty Lucy]

If I see a Jager wtih multiple ballistics, I aim for the side torsos first, because that's just what's smart.

[Lord Perversor]

Lefty Lucy, on 20 October 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

If I see a Jager wtih multiple ballistics, I aim for the side torsos first, because that's just what's smart.

You and almost 90% of the playerbase knows most of jagers run XL thus side torso = bye bye.

hell i always question myself when i see a kind of heavy loadout and the mechs still run after losing the side torso *Damn it does carry a STD with those weapons really??*

[wintersborn]

The big side torso's are the only thing balancing this mech.

If it was safe to put XL's in them you would have the best DPS mech in game by far.

[Deathlike]

This thread is fail.

The OP was one of the few that "agreed" with the Kintaro's original hitboxes. Remember the Koretaro?

So, I'm not going to feel sorry for the thread to fix the Jager's hitboxes.

[axeman]

So hang on, you want to be able to take more weapons. More speed. More armour. I'm with you so far.

In addition to this, you'd like your forced vulnerabillity in taking an XL engine minimised further.

Would you like double AC ammo too?

[FupDup]

Deathlike, on 20 October 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

This thread is fail.

The OP was one of the few that "agreed" with the Kintaro's original hitboxes. Remember the Koretaro?

So, I'm not going to feel sorry for the thread to fix the Jager's hitboxes.

He also thinks medium mech scales are fine.

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

Those high-mounted arms that make the Jager such a good fire support mech have the tradeoff of not being able to protect you when you twist. Any half-decent pilot goes for the "kidney punch" under the arms and into the side torso when Jagers try to spread damage.

So no glitches, it's just the way it's designed.

Edited by Warrax the Chaos Warrior, 20 October 2013 - 05:33 PM.

[Dimento Graven]

So all you 'nay sayers' are thinking it's ok that if a leg/arm/ct is hit, no where near a side torso, it's ok for the side torso to ALSO get hit too, even though it wasn't actually hit.

You're ok with that?