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[kongman]

its pretty simple really , remove this mech from the game , fix it , then put it back in the game .how hard is that .

[Treye Snow]

It'll be rightfully squishy over the next few patches. Paul said in a tweet (Also recheck the ATD 49 post) that they're going to be overhauling some hitboxes and correcting others.

I expect the lights to be among the first to be given this treatment since hitboxes affect them the most as a class than other mechs on a specific basis.

There are multitudes of videos on Youtube demonstrating the Spider's issues and trust me, the Dev's KNOW they're broken. It's just on the backburner right now because of how far behind they are on the game which is exacerbated by them now being a fully fledged game.They literally cannot afford to screw up anymore.

TLDR: Patiance. They know. Just deal with it for now.

[kongman]

Mr Terribad, on 23 October 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

It'll be rightfully squishy over the next few patches. Paul said in a tweet (Also recheck the ATD 49 post) that they're going to be overhauling some hitboxes and correcting others.

I expect the lights to be among the first to be given this treatment since hitboxes affect them the most as a class than other mechs on a specific basis.

There are multitudes of videos on Youtube demonstrating the Spider's issues and trust me, the Dev's KNOW they're broken. It's just on the backburner right now because of how far behind they are on the game which is exacerbated by them now being a fully fledged game.They literally cannot afford to screw up anymore.

TLDR: Patiance. They know. Just deal with it for now.

I can hear the crying already.

[Mehlan]

kongman, on 23 October 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

I can hear the crying already.

I think your just hearing the echoes of yourself...

[CrashieJ]

kongman, on 23 October 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

its pretty simple really , remove this mech from the game , fix it , then put it back in the game .how hard is that .

it will never be fixed because the devs "think it's fine the way it is"

ie, they are using it

[Devilsfury]

kongman, on 23 October 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

its pretty simple really , remove this mech from the game , fix it , then put it back in the game .how hard is that .

Honestly, I suggested this months ago when they were really really broken. Near impossible to kill. Now, they are killable but still the toughest light in game to put down. PGI does not remove or fix things for months and they know/have known SPiders have been broken for an extremely long time.

[kongman]

Devilsfury, on 23 October 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Honestly, I suggested this months ago when they were really really broken. Near impossible to kill. Now, they are killable but still the toughest light in game to put down. PGI does not remove or fix things for months and they know/have known SPiders have been broken for an extremely long time.

1 out of 20 games I might get lucky with a leg shot , but that's about it , I hit them all the time , it just does no damage , or very little damage

[BUDFORCE]

Yeah I know they know, but I like to keep drilling it into them, and posting here is the only way I can.

SPIDERS ARE BROKEN.

I read a post about weapon convergence (with the background) and lag and I am guess it has something to do with this. Make spretty much perfect sense when you read it.

And also I dont have a problem with lights in general, I can hit all the other ones just fine, its only the spider.

EDIT: This is the thread that I am referring to.
http://mwomercs.com/...ossible-to-hit/

Edited by BUDFORCE, 23 October 2013 - 09:48 PM.

[Johnny Reb]

kongman, on 23 October 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

its pretty simple really , remove this mech from the game , fix it , then put it back in the game .how hard is that .

Heh, same was said of the Raven last year! Not gonna happen and shouldn't happen!

[William Mountbank]

Wow, so many people being brutally steamrollered by the Spider-5V... But I guess I can't remember the last time I didn't see a Spider get 12 kills and do 2000 damage in a match.

[AntiSqueaker]

William Mountbank, on 23 October 2013 - 11:32 PM, said:

Wow, so many people being brutally steamrollered by the Spider-5V... But I guess I can't remember the last time I didn't see a Spider get 12 kills and do 2000 damage in a match.

Anecdotal stories ho!

Sorry, I've just gotten sick of pegging Spiders with the AC/20 in my hunchback in their side torso, see the round explode, and then watch them skip happily away. Twice in a row. It's not an uncommon occurence either, and I know I'm not the only one in my group that has the same problems.

God help you if you try and peg them with SRMs, you already roll the dice on SRMs actually registering anyway. Hit a spider running straight at me with 3 SRM-6s from my Shadow Hawk, he went from 95% to 91%. From 36 damage, even if it is spread out. I think a lot of light pilots are in for a rude awakening when they can't speed tank 4+ enemies for upwards of a minute once HSR and hitboxes get fixed.

[F lan Ker]

S!

Spiders are damn annoying and everywhere because of this bug they have. Hit them and see nothing happening. Putting 4 x ER Large Laser into one, no problem only a scratch..and so on. When a Spider does not get damaged from point blank range shot in the face then something is wrong. I understand the ping, HSR and whatever. But Spider is the only light I have problems with. Until anything is done just have to grind teeth and hope some day hitboxes, HSR and whatnot get fixed..

[kongman]

people are exploiting the spider and these guy are doing nothing , they don't give a ****

[Mehlan]

kongman, on 24 October 2013 - 01:29 AM, said:

people are exploiting the spider and these guy are doing nothing , they don't give a ****

Hardly.... a lot could be said about players that don't do (or often seem to know how to) research, test or pay attention.

PGI has stated concerns about HSR
PGI has an entry in known issues about hit detection with ballistic weapons.

Now any good pilot is going to 'exploit' their mech, nothing wrong with that. There are subsystem that are broken, that impact gameplay... we have a video of a cataphract doing the same thing you accuse spiders of. I guess we should remove both huh.. and the centurion on claims it's hitboxes/allocation isnt correct either. Aww heck, lets just make it ATLAS online, with one variant...everyone gets the same weapons too. It'll be great, well until some po-dunk, in the sticks with a network connection from the late 70's tries to play and complains about people exploiting.

[kongman]

Mehlan, on 24 October 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

Hardly.... a lot could be said about players that don't do (or often seem to know how to) research, test or pay attention.

PGI has stated concerns about HSR
PGI has an entry in known issues about hit detection with ballistic weapons.

Now any good pilot is going to 'exploit' their mech, nothing wrong with that. There are subsystem that are broken, that impact gameplay... we have a video of a cataphract doing the same thing you accuse spiders of. I guess we should remove both huh.. and the centurion on claims it's hitboxes/allocation isnt correct either. Aww heck, lets just make it ATLAS online, with one variant...everyone gets the same weapons too. It'll be great, well until some po-dunk, in the sticks with a network connection from the late 70's tries to play and complains about people exploiting.

but nearly every single god dam game , spiders on each team , buttrape the other team , and its going on every game

[Krivvan]

The Spider is already rather subpar. It'll just go from that to worse.

And no, you don't see games where Spiders solo the entire enemy game. Unless you're playing at a level where it doesn't matter what you pilot.

[Adiuvo]

kongman, on 24 October 2013 - 03:37 AM, said:

but nearly every single god dam game , spiders on each team , buttrape the other team , and its going on every game

We play in drastically different games I suppose.

[Karazyr]

kongman, on 23 October 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

its pretty simple really , remove this mech from the game , fix it , then put it back in the game .how hard is that .

YOU WILL NEVER TAKE MAH SPIDER!!!

this does bring up a good point, what about the people who allready have spiders that they love and dont use it as a FOTM/FOTY ( i use the spider because i love it, it does help that its hard to kill) i would hate pgi if they took away my primary mech because some neckbeards online cry about getting owned by a light mech.

[Vodrin Thales]

AntiSqueaker, on 23 October 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

Anecdotal stories ho!

Sorry, I've just gotten sick of pegging Spiders with the AC/20 in my hunchback in their side torso, see the round explode, and then watch them skip happily away. Twice in a row. It's not an uncommon occurence either, and I know I'm not the only one in my group that has the same problems.

Side torso registers just fine when tested so I don't know about this. There is a major issue with CT hit registration on the spider, and even if hit reg was working the legs would be very difficult to hit due to being very small.

I think PGI should consider artificially enlarging the leg hitboxes the way they did with ravens until the CT hit reg is fixed, not remove them from the game as this hurts too many players and there are not enough lights in game as it is.

Edited by Vodrin Thales, 24 October 2013 - 08:26 AM.