30 replies to this topic

[ColonelMetus]

barely anyone can take it, the last ECM mech added was the spider and that was before the summer, their needs to be at least a half dozen chasis that can take ECM.

my votes for mechs that need an ecm chasis
Awesome
Jenner
Trebuchet
Catapult
Battlemaster
Centurion
Shadow hawk
Cataphract
Dragon
Jager mech
Victor
Highlander

aslo there should be at least one hero mech with an ECM, i think a Victor or a highlander hero would be a good choice

[FupDup]

Locust, Treb, Orion, and Awesome are the only ones I would be okay with getting ECM. None of the others.

Edited by FupDup, 07 November 2013 - 06:42 PM.

[Deathlike]

Let's just give every mech ECM. See what happens.

[Homeless Bill]

No.

[Ghogiel]

Why not. It's balanced after all.

What can go wrong.

[KharnZor]

NO

[Roadbeer]

I believe that this very topic was brought up in THIS thread.

[Buzzkillin]

Why don't you just say "remove LRMs and Radar"?

Edited by Buzzkillin, 07 November 2013 - 06:43 PM.

[MonkeyDCecil]

Ghogiel, on 07 November 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

Why not. It's balanced after all.

What can go wrong.

This is great. Made my night.

[KharnZor]

Ghogiel, on 07 November 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

Why not. It's balanced after all.

What can go wrong.

They could tear a hole in the space time continuum.

[Zuesacoatl]

ECM is a very powerful tool in MW, and as such, it had to be balanced with limited amount of chasis it could be used on. If you wish to use ECM, you have to make the choice of using a less desirable mech to use a more desirable device. Though I do enjoy using almost all mechs ECM comes on myself. The second you give it to a majority of mechs, you might as well just drop other tools all together that it was designed to combat.

Much like the military today, you have certain platforms that wield certain electronics and other packages, such as the f-117 bomber. They are meant to be virtually invisible, but can not take much punishment, than you have the a-10, it was designed to be a beast. Each chasis has its pros and cons, and I think ECM helps reflect this in MW

[Asakara]

I remember posting on this same topic back in November 2012 with the following:

I do not understand their logic and mech choices at all.


Looking at the mechs in lore:

The commando should not get ECM at all. No production variants ever had it.

The cicada is the same. No production variants ever had it.

The D-DC should not get it either as it is the wrong variant. The K2 had ECM much further in the future but not the D-DC.

The jenner is in the same boat as the atlas, a variant has ECM in the future (10X), so it has as much of a right to it as the atlas, especially compared to the commando and cicada.

The cataphract, hunchback, and awesome are in the same boat as the jenner, they also do not get ECM.

The dragon, catapult, and centurion are like the cicada and commando, no production variants ever had ECM, but unlike the commando and cicada they can not use ECM.

The only mech that should have it is the raven 3L..

But PGI seems to somewhat ignore lore when it comes to ECM.


Looking at the equipment in MWO:

BAP – Everyone can use BAP, even mechs that never had it on any variant, like the commando, jenner, awesome, catapult, dragon, cataphract, centurion, and hunchback.

TAG – Everyone with an energy hardpoint can use TAG, even mechs that never had it on any variant, like the commando, cicada, jenner, atlas, awesome, catapult, dragon, cataphract, and centurion.

NARC – Everyone with a missile hardpoint can use NARC, even mechs that never had it on any variant like the commando, atlas, awesome, catapult, dragon, cataphract, centurion, and hunchback.

AMS – Everyone can use AMS (even though when it was introduced for all mechs some people complained on the forums that it would be the death of LRMs, but I digress), even mechs that never had it on any variant like the commando, cicada, jenner, awesome, catapult, dragon, cataphract, centurion, and hunchback.

But only 5 mechs can use ECM.

Edited by Asakara, 07 November 2013 - 09:51 PM.

[Sandpit]

While we're at it why don't we just do away with different chassis and variants. Hell let's just reduce it down to one mech, one chassis, one variant, and one loadout. Then we can drop everyone into a map with no terrain, just wide open flat land.

See what happens when you start down the road you're asking for here?

If you give every mech every option then what's the point to having different mechs in the first place? Just because your favorite mech doesn't have it doesn't mean it should be added. Why is it every other thread seems to involve "Hey I want everything available to me without any trade-offs."?

This isn't staples, there's no easy button. You want ECM, then take one of the mechs it's available on.

[Screech]

Sandpit, on 07 November 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

If you give every mech every option then what's the point to having different mechs in the first place?

I think some folks problem is that the options seem fairly arbitrary.

[Clydewinder]

If any chassis should have ECM, it should be Locust. Especially considering that adding the weight of the ECM unit will largely displace any weaponry on the mech.

[Vanguard319]

I think there should be a heavy mech with ECM, it's the only weight class atm that doesn't have one. I'd agree with the Awesome getting an ECM variant, (the 9Q variant does carry one) mostly due to it already being a big easy target for missile spam, (or at least a variant that can carry a 2nd AMS) but I've heard it's on the list of mechs due for hit box tweaking, so depending on how the tweaks affect it, an ECM version might not be needed.

[KharnZor]

Clydewinder, on 07 November 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

If any chassis should have ECM, it should be Locust. Especially considering that adding the weight of the ECM unit will largely displace any weaponry on the mech.

I wondered why there wasn't an ecm variant when i first heard the locust would be in the game.

[Eleshod]

Give Jenners ECM and my Raven is tossed to the bottem of the light food chain. Next to Commandos. Do you see where i'm going with this?

[Sybreed]

lol, the fact that PGI never gave ECM to any of the new mechs kinda prove they themselves think it's too strong.

[Vassago Rain]

No.