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[PinkyAndTheBrain]

Does the matchmaker use your overall KDR or currently-selected mech's KDR in match-making you when you queue for a match?

[Xiang]

It does not use your KDR, it uses your win/loss ratio and if I am not mistaken it is based on the mech or weight class of the mech.

Hopefully someone else can add more info.

Xiang

[Durant Carlyle]

You have a different Elo rating for each 'Mech class (lights, mediums, heavies, assaults). The specific calculations will not be released (question has been answered multiple times by devs).

Edited by Durant Carlyle, 25 October 2013 - 11:01 PM.

[xMEPHISTOx]

I don't know if there is any confirmed information from PGI on it but from what I understand it is not based on KDR but more W/L ratio/percentage.

[Redshift2k5]

Elo is based on win:loss, just as in chess and other games using Elo or a modification thereof. not KDR.

You have seperate Elo score for each weight class. Not per-mech. This is helpful if you are a skilled Light pilot and then buy an Assault- It doesn't use your high light mech elo, since it would not be representative of your skills in a different weight class!

[anubis969]

To add to what others have said; the matchmaker uses an Elo system. In simple terms, when you win a game your Elo score goes up, loose a game and it goes down. The amount it changes is based on your teams average Elo score compared to your opponents. As such matchmaking is not based on K/D and, strictly speaking, nor is it based on W/L (that said, once you have played enough games for your Elo score to stabilise the MM will in theory keep your W/L around 1).

http://mwomercs.com/...65#entry1626065

You have a separate Elo score for each weight class.

Edited by anubis969, 26 October 2013 - 06:37 AM.

[Denolven]

Please ask such short questions here: Short Question - Short Answer
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[Alaskan Nobody]

Denolven, on 26 October 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

Please ask such short questions here: Short Question - Short Answer
(is pinned on the first page)

It is... but if they expect the answer to not be short - or if they feel the question is not short, they are hardly gonna go there are they

[Lukoi Banacek]

Denolven, on 26 October 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

Please ask such short questions here: Short Question - Short Answer
(is pinned on the first page)

Self appointed forum police are not helpful in a community already struggling to retain any semblance of inclusiveness given our cranky history. If people dont want to use your thread (or perhaps dont know it exists), they do not have to.

[Arnold J Rimmer]

I see people saying everywhere that there is a separate Elo rating per class, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case. There is one Elo, your pilot's, and that's it.

EDIT: source - http://mwomercs.com/...59#entry2763659

Edited by Arnold J Rimmer, 26 October 2013 - 04:30 PM.

[DEMAX51]

Arnold J Rimmer, on 26 October 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

I see people saying everywhere that there is a separate Elo rating per class, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case. There is one Elo, your pilot's, and that's it.

EDIT: source - http://mwomercs.com/...59#entry2763659

I swear I've read a dev post that said that you have separate Elos for the 4 different weight classes. I also distinctly remember seeing a dev post where they actually referenced an individual person's Elo for the Light class - something along the lines of "so and so, you're in the top 1% for Lights."

That quote you reference doesn't really contradict that notion, either. It's just talking about trying to balance overall team weight/composition in matches along with Elo, while keeping wait times low.

And as others have mentioned it does not use your KDR at all. You can read a detailed description of how it's calculated here: http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1626065

Edited by DEMAX51, 26 October 2013 - 06:32 PM.

[anubis969]

Arnold J Rimmer, on 26 October 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

I see people saying everywhere that there is a separate Elo rating per class, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case. There is one Elo, your pilot's, and that's it.

EDIT: source - http://mwomercs.com/...59#entry2763659

This is the second quote that DEMAX51 was referring to:

Bryam Ekman said:

Your Light and Assault Elo scores are in the 98th percentile. AKA you are going to be matched against the best players.

[Durant Carlyle]

They have specifically stated somewhere that everybody has four separate Elo scores. I'm not going to try to find it, because everybody and their mother has been posting about Elo for months now and wading through the search results is too much of a bother.

[BookWyrm]

Pretty sure they're separate, I can tell when I go from light or med to assault or heavy, but I could be wrong.

[Arnold J Rimmer]

Welp, I will call today a school day and stop spreading misinformation

[DEMAX51]

anubis969, on 26 October 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

This is the second quote that DEMAX51 was referring to:

Nice job digging up the quote, anubis.

[C E Dwyer]

ELO is based on your win loss ratio, kil/death ratio does not effect it, each weight class has its own w/l so if your good at assaults and poor at lights you'll end up in different crowds

[anubis969]

Cathy, on 28 October 2013 - 03:29 AM, said:

ELO is based on your win loss ratio

Actually, strictly speak, it isn't. Yes your Elo and W/L will go hand in hand but at no point does Elo factor your W/L into its calculation. As I said above, the way Elo works in very simple terms is that when you win a game your Elo score goes up, and when you loose a game it does down. The amount it changes is based on your teams average Elo score compared to your opponents.

Source: http://mwomercs.com/...65#entry1626065

[Macbrea]

An example of what this would look like on a player is as follows: 1 = win, 0 = loss for the match. This is a demonstration over 30 matches.

Games	Players Elo	Team.Avg.Elo	Opp.Avg.Elo	Win %	Win?
0	1300	1300	1300	50.00%	1
1	1325	1299	1301	49.59%	0
2	1300	1307	1315	48.83%	1
3	1326	1348	1375	46.22%	0
4	1303	1319	1284	54.95%	1
5	1325	1371	1326	56.45%	0
6	1297	1335	1324	51.48%	1
7	1321	1297	1344	43.19%	0
8	1300	1348	1392	43.69%	1
9	1328	1309	1278	54.53%	1
10	1351	1323	1368	43.51%	0
11	1329	1328	1303	53.62%	1
12	1352	1367	1335	54.61%	1
13	1375	1370	1345	53.72%	0
14	1348	1317	1336	47.30%	1
15	1374	1339	1309	54.36%	1
16	1397	1389	1412	46.65%	0
17	1374	1355	1391	44.77%	1
18	1401	1425	1449	46.65%	1
19	1428	1428	1378	57.13%	1
20	1449	1472	1486	48.03%	0
21	1425	1418	1458	44.18%	1
22	1453	1472	1451	52.94%	0
23	1427	1437	1453	47.59%	1
24	1453	1467	1501	45.12%	0
25	1430	1438	1464	46.33%	1
26	1457	1421	1435	48.03%	1
27	1483	1483	1522	44.38%	0
28	1461	1437	1415	53.07%	1
29	1485	1474	1516	43.97%	1
30	1513	1536	1494	56.01%	0

As you can tell, there is no way to tell what your actual Elo rating is or what the rating of your opponents. This is because it's a rating from 0 to 2800 with all players starting at 1300 and in theory averaging out at their skill level. Majority of players will be skill level 1500, but like any bell curve it should have players at the top and bottom.

Edited by Macbrea, 28 October 2013 - 09:11 AM.