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[LawDawg]

Spiders...........Again, another thread dedicated to them.

1. No, There not common, you will see more Jenner's / Ravens and NOW Locust's on the battlefield than you have ever seen spiders.

2. Spider pilots (if they are worth weight), don't run into a full lance <4-8-12>, cause certain ppl claim to have seen this, but it dont happen without spider DED, or under 50%, then worthless from there on in.

3. The reason were the last alive is because were doing what LIGHTS do, Scout/Cap/Recon/Tag/Spot..ect. So when it comes end game we haven't taken much damage. Now you/me have to get it on. Some lights run, I never do. I will fight "Tooth and Nail" if i'm the last just to not draw it out.........unlessssssssssss we can get that cap victory.

4. Spider's may have a "slight" hit box issue.........but its more ping and HSR than anything else.

5. Stop the threads about >Spideersssss< OP Gods!

<S> 2 pennies
Law

[Krivvan]

LawDog, on 27 October 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

1. No, There not common, you will see more Jenner's / Ravens and NOW Locust's on the battlefield than you have ever seen spiders.

2. Spider pilots (if they are worth weight), don't run into a full lance <4-8-12>, cause certain ppl claim to have seen this, but it dont happen without spider DED, or under 50%, then worthless from there on in.

4. Spider's may have a "slight" hit box issue.........but its more ping and HSR than anything else.

5. Stop the threads about >Spideersssss< OP Gods!

This thread is pretty much dedicated to what you said.

[Krivvan]

kuangmk11, on 27 October 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

Since Phoenix came out I see about 1/4 of the numbers of spiders I used to. It doesn't mean the are not still broken.

Around half the footage was from before Phoenix.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

I casually pug and see 4+ spiders a match. You can always count on 2 per side unless it's a weird time of day.

[Stelar 7]

I would just like to take this time to thank the 12 man, we think Comstar group, that brought 12 spiders to canyon network Sat night. (12am ish Mountain). It was a little rough on our scouts finding them but the shoot out at our base was pure win. Some of the most fun I've had in game. Bits and pieces of arachnid flying everywhere.

[Vodrin Thales]

Krivvan, on 27 October 2013 - 12:39 AM, said:

Are there really that many groups of Spiders going around winning every game they play in? Are there really that many Spiders that tie up teams for minutes and go on to single-handedly carry their team to victory?

I seriously doubt it because your videoed experience is consistent with mine. There are rarely more than two spiders in any game I play right now, and in 12v12 premades they are even a bit more rare with Jenners comprising the overwhelming majority of light mechs. Although I did see a 12 man running Commandos the other day.

[Murphy7]

LawDog, on 27 October 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

Spiders...........Again, another thread dedicated to them.

1. No, There not common, you will see more Jenner's / Ravens and NOW Locust's on the battlefield than you have ever seen spiders.

2. Spider pilots (if they are worth weight), don't run into a full lance <4-8-12>, cause certain ppl claim to have seen this, but it dont happen without spider DED, or under 50%, then worthless from there on in.

3. The reason were the last alive is because were doing what LIGHTS do, Scout/Cap/Recon/Tag/Spot..ect. So when it comes end game we haven't taken much damage. Now you/me have to get it on. Some lights run, I never do. I will fight "Tooth and Nail" if i'm the last just to not draw it out.........unlessssssssssss we can get that cap victory.

4. Spider's may have a "slight" hit box issue.........but its more ping and HSR than anything else.

5. Stop the threads about >Spideersssss< OP Gods!

<S> 2 pennies
Law

1.) YMMV. I routinely see 1-2 spiders per match on average, though it was absent more often when everyone was trying out their new Phoenix toys, it has relaxed into a more reasonable mix. I still see a lot of Jenners, because Jenner pilots are inveterate miscreants by nature.

2.) Agreed. The only time I have seen a spider pilot do something that foolish, it clearly was a mistake and they are in a panicked frenzy to escape. Its sad, but more often than not they can succeed.

3.) Agreed. I do not see Spiders generally acting as predators, but more impishly causing trouble and enticing the gullible into moving out of position or into an ambush.

4.) HSR affects more than Spiders, but it seems to affect Spiders more than most.

5.) Agreed. Spiders have some advantages, but they come with some behaviors that are exploitable to their detriment. Shoot where the Spider is going to land, folks. Spiders love their air time, but they get stuck on the landing.

[Clit Beastwood]

Murphy7, on 28 October 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

1.) YMMV. I routinely see 1-2 spiders per match on average, though it was absent more often when everyone was trying out their new Phoenix toys, it has relaxed into a more reasonable mix. I still see a lot of Jenners, because Jenner pilots are inveterate miscreants by nature.
The SDR-5d is my favorite mech, over 90% of my playtime has been in one. I rarely see other Spiders on the field.

2.) Agreed. The only time I have seen a spider pilot do something that foolish, it clearly was a mistake and they are in a panicked frenzy to escape. Its sad, but more often than not they can succeed.
A panicked spider is a dead spider

3.) Agreed. I do not see Spiders generally acting as predators, but more impishly causing trouble and enticing the gullible into moving out of position or into an ambush.
I play like a predator, baiting fatties into following me, then looping around to abuse their rears. When needed, I'll run through a group to get them to pay attention to me instead of my approaching team. Does the job - I know I'm sacrificing myself, but a win is a win. I usually just tell my team to make it worth it (i.e. I have to interrupt a 3-4 mech base cap, I'll dart between them causing confusion and interrupting cap until my team gets there).

4.) HSR affects more than Spiders, but it seems to affect Spiders more than most.
Maybe it's my ping, but I get hit juuuuuust fine

5.) Agreed. Spiders have some advantages, but they come with some behaviors that are exploitable to their detriment. Shoot where the Spider is going to land, folks. Spiders love their air time, but they get stuck on the landing.
A spider flying through the air is doing it wrong. WAY to easy to figure out where they're going to land. Most of my spiders (have a bunch of them) are using 1-2 jj, to discourage the idea of flying. My 12man spotting builds are the exception, as I'm looking rather than fighting.

[Mycrus]

[627]

There was at least one spider every match in the last week. But less than it used to be. I think this is because of phoenix mechs - first all those light pilots level their locusts and second, every third shadowhawk is a streaker (beside all those kintaros) who wants to hunt/farm those very locusts.

[Krivvan]

627, on 28 October 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

There was at least one spider every match in the last week. But less than it used to be. I think this is because of phoenix mechs - first all those light pilots level their locusts and second, every third shadowhawk is a streaker (beside all those kintaros) who wants to hunt/farm those very locusts.

As much as people hate people talk about "elo brackets" and etc., it's true. The higher up you are, the less Spiders (and more poptarts) you see. I'm just trying to show that in my experience, Spiders are a rarity.

[627]

You're right, with both. But as you and many know, you're in a very high elo bracket where air gets thinner. And there're fewer people.

If you have mainstream elo, you meet every kind of mech and there're much more spiders and jagers out there. I won't judge this in any kind, but you have to admit that you left this "mainstream" area so you are no longer able to understand what's going on there.

If you want to "come back" (as silly as this sounds), i'd recommend a new account to see what's going on in daily pug life

[Joseph Mallan]

Spiders are most common in the Draconis Combine, followed by the Free Worlds League... that is far behind as they supposedly don't like the Mech.

[Thorqemada]

Oh well, i had several Matches with Packs of Spiders recently though Lights are not the most played Weightclass so...

Some Jagers are weird too, had another one that stopped taking dmg after its CT went red...

[Ngamok]

I watched your videos are saw spiders being hit by multiple people near the end of matches you are ahead of. The one on Crimson was pretty good showing off the hit boxes. But I don't twitch and I don't fraps. I have multiple times seen a spider shut down from over heat in front of me a take a full alpha and come out un scratched. Most recently last week on Canyon. Fired 6 Medium Lasers into it, and when he powered back up, I couldn't tell the difference between before and after. So WTF?

[Murphy7]

Krivvan, on 29 October 2013 - 03:16 AM, said:

As much as people hate people talk about "elo brackets" and etc., it's true. The higher up you are, the less Spiders (and more poptarts) you see. I'm just trying to show that in my experience, Spiders are a rarity.

Oh, so it was really meant as a humblebrag?

[Spyder228]

I feel like making an assault Spider build, a 5D with a small engine and 2-3 large lasers. Then just waltz up to the front of the battle line and see how many seconds I last. I guarantee it won't be more than 10 if the opposing force has decent aim. These mythical Spider damage tanks only exsist because of bad hit reg and bad ping times. My pings are usually in the 20-30 range and I when I take an AC20 (that actually hits and isn't a miss!) to the face in my Spider, it's curtains. Let's nerf a mech because you have crappy internet.

[Krivvan]

Murphy7, on 29 October 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Oh, so it was really meant as a humblebrag?

I wouldn't have posted my Medium mech games if it was.