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[Shodanx2]

Hi,

I tried to get my friends to play MWO with me, so we all installed the game and started playing. We all got totally murdered and were not having any fun so we just gave up and played Left for Dead 2 instead.

Is there a way to setup a game where it's just us against an NPC army ? And I don't mean just 10 bots and first team to kill all the players of the other team wins the round, I mean something with objectives like take this enemy base then hold it for 5 minutes then escape while protecting an APC.

That would make the game fun for us because the plain team deathmatch stopped being fun back when we played quake 2

[StarGeezer]

Currently there is only Assault (a 12 v 12 "deathmatch" style engagement) as Conquest (similar to a "capture the flag" style, with 5 bases that can be captured for resource points...first to 750 wins.) There are plans for much larger and more robust content in the near future, but as of right now those are your two choices.

I might hasten to add this game has a pretty formidable learning curve. It's not like many of the "drop in, shoot stuff, respawn, do it again" games out there. When you die, you die for the remainder of the match. That being said, I would encourage you and your friends to hang in there, once you get the basics down, it's a thoroughly enjoyable game.

[Koniving]

I recommend trying out the testing mode to get used to the game. If the 4 of you travel in packs you're a lot more likely to succeed than playing your own things. Maybe trying to compliment each other (Twin Atlases to deal with the long range threats and twin Centurions to deal with what gets close to the Atlases) or 4 spiders are bound to screw up anyone's day (aim for the legs on anything bigger to you unless it's already damaged!)



Click the robot icon next to Launch (to its left) to get into testing grounds. You can only get into it solo, unfortunately.

Remember to group up using Social, Adding each other. Then create a group, add players to group. Launch together.

Edited by Koniving, 14 October 2013 - 03:00 PM.

[SmithMPBT]

Word on the street is MWO can't handle NPCs or destructible terrain without a complete rewrite of the basic code, so a single player/co-op campaign may be a ways off.

[Itsalrightwithme]

Writing an AI is non-trivial, plus with so many complex mechanisms like ghost heat, ECM, etc. it will take a lot of resources.

Plus this game is p2w, players provide the content (or, targets for other players to kill).

So there isn't much incentive for PGI to give provide players vs. NPC material.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Itsalrightwithme, on 14 October 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Plus this game is p2w

I would ask in what way you believe the game is P2W - I.E. Pay to Win - I.E. what you can only get by paying real money will make it more likely for you to win....

Hero mechs? No stronger stat-wise than their counterparts, and usually weaker - only bonus is a bonus for reducing grind time for Cbills....

Champion Mechs? Exactly like the non-champion equivalents, but with an XP bonus rather than the Hero's Cbill bonus...

Consumables? Don't make me laugh - you can get the exact same thing for Cbills with a fair grind...

Mechbays? Only need 3 to master a mech, and you start with 4....

Paint/Patterns? If you argue about THOSE being P2W I would ask what you are smoking...

And that is ALL that you get for real money that you cannot get for Cbills.

Edit: clarification on champions/heros

Edited by Shar Wolf, 14 October 2013 - 04:36 PM.

[N3tty]

I prefer to call it PoG (pay or grind)
Its not a new-player friendly game in any amount, the tutorials help, but without an AI to practice against, things are a little difficult.
But keep at it, the flipside of playing against other people is you ARE playing WITH other people, most of which will actually help you if you ask, give it a try, ask if people would be willing to help new players and you'll get referred to quite a few different clan sites that have people who's reason for playing is helping new players

[Alaskan Nobody]

Netty Kelly, on 14 October 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

But keep at it, the flipside of playing against other people is you ARE playing WITH other people, most of which will actually help you if you ask, give it a try, ask if people would be willing to help new players and you'll get referred to quite a few different clan sites that have people who's reason for playing is helping new players

THAT is very good advice there and I feel stupid for not having said it myself.

[Koniving]

Shar Wolf, on 14 October 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

I would ask in what way you believe the game is P2W - I.E. Pay to Win - I.E. what you can only get by paying real money will make it more likely for you to win....

I could be mistaken but I believe he meant "play 2 win" in that instance. Or pay to get stuff. There's no incentive to make content for players to fight NPCs. Really there isn't.

But then again at the same time, it'd be hard to believe that PGI would conjure A.I. that could understand the very mechanics set by the game. I think what we'd see would be limited to tanks and infantry during matches against other players. And I sincerely doubt that will ever happen.

PGI will supposedly make a mechwarrior game with a campaign after renewing interest in the mechwarrior franchise. It's my hope they take very different approaches to balancing when they do.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Ah that sense of P2W

I.E. the game itself isn't but.... >.<

Now your giving me a headache.

[AstroMagnum]

The learning curve is sadly just something you will have to roll with. The one friend I got to play this game stopped after 3 games because he could not kill anyone. I have not been able to convince anyone else yet. I think some form of coop against NPCS would help ease players into the game, but it is very unlikely we will see anything like that. The NPCS really could be armor or air assets rather than 'mechs if there are issues programming AI for 'mechs, but I digress.

[Victor Morson]

Shodanx2, on 14 October 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Hi,

I tried to get my friends to play MWO with me, so we all installed the game and started playing. We all got totally murdered and were not having any fun so we just gave up and played Left for Dead 2 instead.

Is there a way to setup a game where it's just us against an NPC army ? And I don't mean just 10 bots and first team to kill all the players of the other team wins the round, I mean something with objectives like take this enemy base then hold it for 5 minutes then escape while protecting an APC.

That would make the game fun for us because the plain team deathmatch stopped being fun back when we played quake 2

Try to get your friends into a unit, so you can play with other like minded people. It'll make the game far, far more interesting.

[Aegic]

People who think MWO is a terrible grind OR pay to win should check out WoT.

[Mr D One]

Shodanx2, on 14 October 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Hi,

I tried to get my friends to play MWO with me, so we all installed the game and started playing. We all got totally murdered and were not having any fun so we just gave up and played Left for Dead 2 instead.

Is there a way to setup a game where it's just us against an NPC army ? And I don't mean just 10 bots and first team to kill all the players of the other team wins the round, I mean something with objectives like take this enemy base then hold it for 5 minutes then escape while protecting an APC.

That would make the game fun for us because the plain team deathmatch stopped being fun back when we played quake 2

This. ^^^

I would gladly put my hand in my pocket again, (and so would many of my crew) for a LAN / CO OP campaign for MWO.

Keep MWO online seperate like MW tactics is.

Have another build, MWCOOP.

PGI would not have to worry about Ghost Heat, Boating etc because the AI NPC's would all be scripted to trigger at certain actions with certain Mechs. You and your buds could run whatever you felt like based on the mission location and objectives. A one on one duel mode or Arena mode with your friends and multiple AI could be a great feature as well.

[Mr D One]

In the meantime Shodanx, if you can get used to the older graphics and game engine. MW4 mercs is a free download, and if you search co op mod for MW4 mercs it will allow you and 3 buds to play thru the spectre missions together.

Regretfully it is a mod and can be a bit buggy with the attack the dropship missions.

Hope this helps.

[Itsalrightwithme]

Koniving, on 14 October 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

I could be mistaken but I believe he meant "play 2 win" in that instance. Or pay to get stuff. There's no incentive to make content for players to fight NPCs. Really there isn't.

But then again at the same time, it'd be hard to believe that PGI would conjure A.I. that could understand the very mechanics set by the game. I think what we'd see would be limited to tanks and infantry during matches against other players. And I sincerely doubt that will ever happen.

PGI will supposedly make a mechwarrior game with a campaign after renewing interest in the mechwarrior franchise. It's my hope they take very different approaches to balancing when they do.

Kon's right, of course, I meant "play 2 win" or to be more precise I wanted to type "free 2 play" but lack of caffeine severely impaired my coherence.

[Kutagh]

Dar1ng One, on 14 October 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

In the meantime Shodanx, if you can get used to the older graphics and game engine. MW4 mercs is a free download, and if you search co op mod for MW4 mercs it will allow you and 3 buds to play thru the spectre missions together.

Regretfully it is a mod and can be a bit buggy with the attack the dropship missions.

Hope this helps.

Unfortunately, it's not a free download anymore, since MekTek couldn't be bothered anymore and transferring rights was not possible due to the legal circumstances...

[Bront]

SmithMPBT, on 14 October 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Word on the street is MWO can't handle NPCs or destructible terrain without a complete rewrite of the basic code, so a single player/co-op campaign may be a ways off.

Never trust people who code on the street


Though the AI would be potentially problematic due to, well, the game being pretty deep.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Itsalrightwithme, on 15 October 2013 - 04:07 AM, said:

Kon's right, of course, I meant "play 2 win" or to be more precise I wanted to type "free 2 play" but lack of caffeine severely impaired my coherence.

Dontcha just love how we have multiple phrases that are all the same (bad can mean something is 'good' OR well... 'bad' anymore...) like P2W being both Play to Win AND Pay to Win.... two very opposing concepts .... >.<
And we wonder why people have a hard time with our language or simply communicating in general.

[Shodanx2]

Thank you for all the answers, for now my friends are kind burned from MWO but they loved MW3 that we all played back when it came out so I'll give MW4 a shot with the coop.

I am surprised there isn't a way to do this, the game is so nice otherwise the graphics are amazing and the feeling of being inside that mech is really good, I am going to buy an Oculus Rift soon and with a buttkicker shaking my chair every time the mech takes a step is so cool !