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[anfadern]

I need some help to understand why my founder Atlas is built the way it is.

The hardpoints of the AS7-D ( 2 ballistic, 4 energy 2 missile) is poorer than the DC ( 2 ballistic,
2 energy 3 missile + ECM) resulting that it just stay there in the mech bay gathering dust.

I am not even allowed to sell it!

Neither can I apply any camouflage to it or even change the colors to the extent I want.

The only thing it has for it is the extra module slot (3) but still lesser than the DC (4) and the C-Bill buff.

I must be missing something here?

Help me out!

[CheeseThief]

Your founders Atlas is exactly the same as the Atlas D, except the camo job and colours are different and 'exclusive' because it was a one time only event item.

[DrBlue62]

Mechs weren't given loadouts for pure mech v mech combat like they are in MWO since that's all we have. It also does not help that we can easily super tune our mechs compared to the average variant that would get crushed in MWO.

The difference between the DDC and the D is a 4th module slot, another missile hardpoint and ECM for the price of two torso energy points.

You may want to take a look at the K if you think the D is bad.

[John MatriX82]

Your AS7D founder can now at least change colors, which is a nice and welcome feature (finally). Nevertheless it still can go dual UAC5/AC5, dual LL, dual ML, dual SRM4, leaving it to be one of the best all rounders, capable to deal damage at distance and melt things up close. Don't you like the ACs? Then slap an AC 20 and a huge std engine leaving the rest unchanged and happy stomping.

The D is the most balanced atlas. This said it doesn't have jumpjets, so even mine is often there looking at me with sad eyes because it can't take the amount of bad things I say each time a tiny rock or a slight slope slows it down or halt it completely.

[Roughneck45]

I love my atlas D. Just have to run it as a brawler. I prefer it over the DDC, but obviously the ECM gives the DDC upper hand.

Try four mediums, AC20, AC2, and two SRM 4's. Two Ultra 5's work great too. Tons of fun.

Edited by Roughneck45, 26 October 2013 - 05:12 AM.

[anfadern]

DrBlue62, on 26 October 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

Mechs weren't given loadouts for pure mech v mech combat like they are in MWO since that's all we have. It also does not help that we can easily super tune our mechs compared to the average variant that would get crushed in MWO.

The difference between the DDC and the D is a 4th module slot, another missile hardpoint and ECM for the price of two torso energy points.

You may want to take a look at the K if you think the D is bad.

I run the DC because the founder mech is bad that is the problem...
I just can't find a loudout that excel the DC....

[Zerberus]

Interesting.. this is the second or third post in the last week or so about somebody who thinks that the D(F) is sub par ("suddenly" as in after over a year of owning it), and also appears to think that the third module slot is part of the mech and not there because the mech has skill mastery.... Somehow very "newbish" statements for someone that has owned and played this mech for over a year.....

Are founders starting to sell their accounts? I`m fairly sure it`s against the ToS if so, and it really sucks for the people that will lose real money for buying an account and then getting it banned for being sold to them....

I don`t mean this as an acusation, btw, it just strikes me as suspicious that these threads are starting to become more and more common, when they should (theoretically) be practically nonexistent by simple virtue of the experience of the people starting them...

Edited by Zerberus, 26 October 2013 - 05:27 AM.

[anfadern]

John MatriX82, on 26 October 2013 - 04:49 AM, said:

Your AS7D founder can now at least change colors, which is a nice and welcome feature (finally). Nevertheless it still can go dual UAC5/AC5, dual LL, dual ML, dual SRM4, leaving it to be one of the best all rounders, capable to deal damage at distance and melt things up close. Don't you like the ACs? Then slap an AC 20 and a huge std engine leaving the rest unchanged and happy stomping.

The D is the most balanced atlas. This said it doesn't have jumpjets, so even mine is often there looking at me with sad eyes because it can't take the amount of bad things I say each time a tiny rock or a slight slope slows it down or halt it completely.

Thanks for the suggestions but still nothing contradict that the founder atlas has little going for it...
- I love my ilya muromets with 3AC5 and 2LL,
- I love my Orion ON1-K, it can carry a loadout much like the Founder Atlas (AC20 2LL 2ML)

So the Atlas still stays in its bay....

[Roughneck45]

anfadern, on 26 October 2013 - 05:35 AM, said:

Thanks for the suggestions but still nothing contradict that the founder atlas has little going for it...
- I love my ilya muromets with 3AC5 and 2LL,
- I love my Orion ON1-K, it can carry a loadout much like the Founder Atlas (AC20 2LL 2ML)

So the Atlas still stays in its bay....

Well, I'm assuming with those loadouts you are running an XL.

The atlas isn't for everyone. You really have to know how to damage soak to get the most out of it. You also need a team that will back you up when you push.

[anfadern]

Zerberus, on 26 October 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

Interesting.. this is the second or third post in the last week or so about somebody who thinks that the D(F) is sub par ("suddenly" as in after over a year of owning it), and also appears to think that the third module slot is part of the mech and not there because the mech has skill mastery.... Somehow very "newbish" statements for someone that has owned and played this mech for over a year.....

Are founders starting to sell their accounts? I`m fairly sure it`s against the ToS if so, and it really sucks for the people that will lose real money for buying an account and then getting it banned for being sold to them....

I don`t mean this as an acusation, btw, it just strikes me as suspicious that these threads are starting to become more and more common, when they should (theoretically) be practically nonexistent by simple virtue of the experience of the people starting them...

The thought is not sudden, I just humbly ask for input. I might be a noob that is OK. You are not helpful and that is somewhat rude.

Why should I sell my account? I just bought the overlord package...
Please explain to me what I indent since I don't know it myself.

Yes you do mean it as an accusation. Trust me you are looking for a conspiracy where none exist. Still the post does not help me to find that killer loadout for my founder Atlas.

It still stays in the bay.

Roughneck45, on 26 October 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

Well, I'm assuming with those loadouts you are running an XL.

The atlas isn't for everyone. You really have to know how to damage soak to get the most out of it. You also need a team that will back you up when you push.

Yes I run with XL
I have up until quite recently been pugging. It might be so that I will use it when we play 12 vs 12 but it seems like the DC is popular in that contaxt as well.

thanks for the input.

[SgtMagor]

If I owned a Founders Atlas, it certainly wouldn't be sitting in my mech bay collecting dust.

[Roughneck45]

anfadern, on 26 October 2013 - 05:45 AM, said:

Yes I run with XL
I have up until quite recently been pugging. It might be so that I will use it when we play 12 vs 12 but it seems like the DC is popular in that contaxt as well.

thanks for the input.

Wait a sec, in the atlas? Or just those builds?

Don't ever use an XL in an atlas. If you have been that may be why you don't like it.

[anfadern]

Roughneck45, on 26 October 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:

Wait a sec, in the atlas? Or just those builds?

Don't ever use an XL in an atlas. If you have been that may be why you don't like it.

No XL in the Atlas, in the Ilya
Thanks for the advice though

[DrBlue62]

anfadern, on 26 October 2013 - 05:20 AM, said:

I run the DC because the founder mech is bad that is the problem...
I just can't find a loudout that excel the DC....

Really, I just think it's the ECM that makes the DDC better. This compounds with the extra missile slot that's often used as an SRM 6 or SSRM 2 since they share the same max range.

The D has slightly better long range potential where the DDC has slightly better close range potential.

[John MatriX82]

anfadern, on 26 October 2013 - 05:35 AM, said:

Thanks for the suggestions but still nothing contradict that the founder atlas has little going for it...
- I love my ilya muromets with 3AC5 and 2LL,
- I love my Orion ON1-K, it can carry a loadout much like the Founder Atlas (AC20 2LL 2ML)

So the Atlas still stays in its bay....

My Ilya is dusting off in its mechbay, I prefer the 3D hands down since the movement nerf (up to a point that if I could return it back to PGI to get back the MC value I'd do it), as well as both my atlases D(F) and D-DC are experiencing the same fate. Since battlemech stats intro I dropped 5 matches in the D-DC and 161 total in my founder, but 151 matches where done before the movement archetypes introduction; I did a dozen of matches a while ago once the cockpit issue on the founder was fixed just to get back playing either the Landers or the 3D. But this doesn't make the D a bad Atlas variant at all.

Do something like this AS7-D and happy hunting or drop 1DHS and to a 335/330 to add 1 more ammo ton for dual UAC5's if you want to have more burst.

The Orion chassis is a poor choice as a brawler, you can't even compare it to an altas, its ct is humongous.

[Zerberus]

anfadern, on 26 October 2013 - 05:45 AM, said:

The thought is not sudden, I just humbly ask for input. I might be a noob that is OK. You are not helpful and that is somewhat rude.

It merely struck me as ofd that you are the third person tpo ask this exact same question, using teh exact same pflawed premise (3 module slots instead of 4) in under a week..... Things like that are usually not coincidental...

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Why should I sell my account? I just bought the overlord package...

I did NOT say you should or did sell the account, I asked if it is even possible for founders to sell their accounts, because that would explain the sudden influx of founders that suddenly think their AS7-D both sucks and comes stock with 3 moduöle slots.

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Please explain to me what I indent since I don't know it myself.

You didn`t know that an atlas AS7-D has 2 module slots and needs >50k xp invested into it to get a third, even though you ground out and distibuted those xp yourself.
You didn`t know that the as7-D that you own is identical in every way but camo and Bonus to the as7-D for cBills, ebvent hough that was one of the primary selling points and you have been playing it for over a year.

Excuse me for beings curious, but when I spend that much time with something I usually try to at least know the very basics of what it is I`m spending time with, or at least read the description of what I bought...

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Yes you do mean it as an accusation. Trust me you are looking for a conspiracy where none exist. Still the post does not help me to find that killer loadout for my founder Atlas.

It still stays in the bay.

No, I do not, and this completely asinine charge is where it gets ugly, becasue the only person that can read my mind is me and everone else gets a piece to chew on...

I`m fairrly sure you are either misunderstanding me on purpose or taking my post personally, and I honestly couldn`t care which one it is after your accusation. My job is not to help you or anybody else, but when I see something that walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I shoot it like a duck.

Facts: Yours is NOT the first post to be similar if not identical in content, specifically referencing this mech and the 3rd module slot. BOTH things that a founder who has owned this mech for over a year and personally leveled from 2-3 module slots "should" know, at least in theory.

So I posed the question to the forum whether it is possible that founder are selling their accounts. Because this simply and elegeantly explains were these questions are suddenly coming from.

In your twisted mind, this is the same as accusing you of buying the account. Ther is probably nothing I could realistically do to bring you back into our dimension, so why waste the effort?

And that is also why I know you wouldn`t be happy with any of my 5 Atlas loadouts They take no prisoners, but get in your face and give you unmasked straight shots instead of playing passive aggressive and hiding behind fancy colors and diversionary tactics. In other words they`re more like me than they are like you.

Edited by Zerberus, 26 October 2013 - 07:37 AM.

[anfadern]

Zerberus, on 26 October 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

It merely struck me as...

This is just silly, you are obviously just trolling.
Thanks for not helping me with a good loadout for the mech.

Edited by anfadern, 26 October 2013 - 09:31 AM.

[anfadern]

John MatriX82, on 26 October 2013 - 07:18 AM, said:

My Ilya is dusting off in its mechbay, I prefer the 3D hands down since the movement nerf (up to a point that if I could return it back to PGI to get back the MC value I'd do it), as well as both my atlases D(F) and D-DC are experiencing the same fate. Since battlemech stats intro I dropped 5 matches in the D-DC and 161 total in my founder, but 151 matches where done before the movement archetypes introduction; I did a dozen of matches a while ago once the cockpit issue on the founder was fixed just to get back playing either the Landers or the 3D. But this doesn't make the D a bad Atlas variant at all.

Do something like this AS7-D and happy hunting or drop 1DHS and to a 335/330 to add 1 more ammo ton for dual UAC5's if you want to have more burst.

The Orion chassis is a poor choice as a brawler, you can't even compare it to an altas, its ct is humongous.

Thanks I will look into it.

[NRP]

How can anyone say the AS7-D is bad? It's one of the meanest brawlers in the game, and it is also arguably the best zombie in the game.

[anfadern]

NRP, on 26 October 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

How can anyone say the AS7-D is bad? It's one of the meanest brawlers in the game, and it is also arguably the best zombie in the game.

Did you read the post at all?
Don't just state that it is the meanest brawler, if this is true give me a hint of how the best brawler of the game is built!
Noone will be happier than me

Edited by anfadern, 26 October 2013 - 10:23 AM.