27 replies to this topic

[focuspark]

R Razor, on 21 November 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

And they damned near won the war...........the point of war is to eliminate your enemies and their ability to resist............if firebombing his cities (or planets in this case) results in the end state of his being unable to resist then that's what needs to be done. Half assed ****** footing around doesn't get the job done, if it did there would still be hotspots around that constantly require attention. Agree with it or not it's the way it is. Now take your thinly veiled "you're a {Godwin's Law}" accusations and stick them where the sun don't shine.

What you're describing it total war, and while fairly effective at eliminating the machinery of government it does **** all at ending conflict. The entire fiasco degrades into asymetric warfare; and the injured populace never integrates and therefore places an unending strain on the "victorious" economy. The antivirtuous cycle leads to terrorism and other forms of violent extremism.

My point wasn't that killing civilians doesn't limit a nations ability to wage war, my point is that it limits the victor's ability to reap rewards and if the offender loses, they'll be vilified and punished for an excessively long time. Just look at the reaction the word "{Godwin's Law}" still has today more than six decades after their surrender.

... as a side note: the Germans were never going to "win" the war against Britain and Russia; best they could have done was force one or both into a cease fire. Once Russia entered the war, the writing was on the wall. Once the United States entered, it was over and Germany was a complete write off.

[Tyrnea Smurf]

R Razor, on 21 November 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

And they damned near won the war...........

Sorry {Godwin's Law} Germany never had a prayer of winning that war.

The German could never field enough assets to invade England (The German plan was called Sea lion, and if you research what they expected to need for it, vs what everybody who did amphibious landings in the war actually used for such operations, you see quickly that the German plan was DOA, and they never had anywhere close to the logistical assets that would have been needed to conduct a invasion of England) which would have at least bought them time. Without holding the British Isles Germany could not stop an American/Allied buildup of forces for eventual invasion in northern Europe.

The invasion of Russia in the late spring of 41 was another step Germany had to take, but nearly nothing about it went right. The original plan was to starve the Russians into surrendering or at least driving them back across the Volga gap (which would allow Germany to hold the oil production of the Caucuses, the farmland of western Russia and most of the industrial production of the Soviets which at the time was almost entirely west of the Volga Gap), but they could not hold to the blitzkrieg time tables they established from the experiences in 39 and 40. They completely misread Japan (the axis alliance for Germany was really all about Japan attacking the Soviet east, or at least holding the the Eastern Division in Siberia long enough to take Moscow - Japan has absolutely no intention of fighting the Soviets, and once the Soviets learned through the KGB that Japan wasn't going to ever attack, those Eastern Divisions began arriving in time to hold Moscow) and they didn't count of the Western Powers mainly the United States to send enough food to counter Germany putting those western farmlands to the torch.

And the Axis with Japan had anther disastrous outcome, early war with the United States.

German war planners had not expected direct war with the US until 1943 at the earliest. The invasion into Russia was to secure their eastern border, and gain the food, fuel, and the industrial production believed to be needed to go toe to toe with the US. Pearl Harbor changed all that, and to add insult to the injury Japan still would not attack into Russia to at least divide Stalin's military focus.

[LiGhtningFF13]

Moku, on 14 November 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

Our current Archon is Melissa Steiner Davion, so I think we're ok for now.

Yea, so don't worry be happy! Life goes on.

[C E Dwyer]

Sybreed, on 28 October 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

Eh, I always thought I should research the houses lore a little before comitting to one. I went to Steiner because of my Germanic ancestry, but the FRR is also one that interested me. Well, thx for putting some thoughts on how Steiner developped over the years ?

The only really 'Germanic' thing about the Lyran Comonwealth, is the name of the ruling family.

The parts that make up the Lyran Comonwealth are all area's from within three of the four countries that make up the 'united' Kingdom, no Welsh area and the purest genetic strain of real Britons b,ad FASA ( no I'm not welsh).

The current monarch of Britain is of Gerrman decent only changing the family name to Windsor, in 1917, the British monarchies family title was Saxe-Colberg and Gotha, while thousands of comonwealth troops were dieing fighting the Germans on the Somme, it was thought a more English sounded name was politically best, as the Czar's German wife wasn't popular in Russia at the time.Current head of the H of S,Cand G is Andreas.

So you see if you do more than look past the family name the LC is far more British than German,

now for your history homework this weekend I want you, to all write in no more than one thousand words why Maximillain Laio, only likes White Cats.


More on topic the Lc was so much better before Hanse Davion, got his grubby paws on our princess

Edited by Cathy, 22 December 2013 - 03:40 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

Tyrnea Smurf, on 17 December 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

Sorry {Godwin's Law} Germany never had a prayer of winning that war.

The German could never field enough assets to invade England (The German plan was called Sea lion, and if you research what they expected to need for it, vs what everybody who did amphibious landings in the war actually used for such operations, you see quickly that the German plan was DOA, and they never had anywhere close to the logistical assets that would have been needed to conduct a invasion of England) which would have at least bought them time. Without holding the British Isles Germany could not stop an American/Allied buildup of forces for eventual invasion in northern Europe.

The invasion of Russia in the late spring of 41 was another step Germany had to take, but nearly nothing about it went right. The original plan was to starve the Russians into surrendering or at least driving them back across the Volga gap (which would allow Germany to hold the oil production of the Caucuses, the farmland of western Russia and most of the industrial production of the Soviets which at the time was almost entirely west of the Volga Gap), but they could not hold to the blitzkrieg time tables they established from the experiences in 39 and 40. They completely misread Japan (the axis alliance for Germany was really all about Japan attacking the Soviet east, or at least holding the the Eastern Division in Siberia long enough to take Moscow - Japan has absolutely no intention of fighting the Soviets, and once the Soviets learned through the KGB that Japan wasn't going to ever attack, those Eastern Divisions began arriving in time to hold Moscow) and they didn't count of the Western Powers mainly the United States to send enough food to counter Germany putting those western farmlands to the torch.

And the Axis with Japan had anther disastrous outcome, early war with the United States.

German war planners had not expected direct war with the US until 1943 at the earliest. The invasion into Russia was to secure their eastern border, and gain the food, fuel, and the industrial production believed to be needed to go toe to toe with the US. Pearl Harbor changed all that, and to add insult to the injury Japan still would not attack into Russia to at least divide Stalin's military focus.

erm just ermm

[KursedVixen]

Cathy, on 22 December 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

The only really 'Germanic' thing about the Lyran Comonwealth, is the name of the ruling family.

The parts that make up the Lyran Comonwealth are all area's from within three of the four countries that make up the 'united' Kingdom, no Welsh area and the purest genetic strain of real Britons b,ad FASA ( no I'm not welsh).

The current monarch of Britain is of Gerrman decent only changing the family name to Windsor, in 1917, the British monarchies family title was Saxe-Colberg and Gotha, while thousands of comonwealth troops were dieing fighting the Germans on the Somme, it was thought a more English sounded name was politically best, as the Czar's German wife wasn't popular in Russia at the time.Current head of the H of S,Cand G is Andreas.

So you see if you do more than look past the family name the LC is far more British than German,

now for your history homework this weekend I want you, to all write in no more than one thousand words why Maximillain Laio, only likes White Cats.


More on topic the Lc was so much better before Hanse Davion, got his grubby paws on our princess

So your against peace and the great things that came with the federated common wealth?

and that also means you are against true love. I don't know the lore behind it ,but if Hanse and Melissa loved each other well then maybe both houses were better off untill Katrina came around and ruined it all.

[Katrina Steiner]

KursedVixen, on 22 December 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

So your against peace and the great things that came with the federated common wealth?

and that also means you are against true love. I don't know the lore behind it ,but if Hanse and Melissa loved each other well then maybe both houses were better off untill Katrina came around and ruined it all.

Excuse me?! I'll see you on the battlefield



oh btw....I think you mean Katherine

[C E Dwyer]

KursedVixen, on 22 December 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

So your against peace and the great things that came with the federated common wealth?

and that also means you are against true love. I don't know the lore behind it ,but if Hanse and Melissa loved each other well then maybe both houses were better off untill Katrina came around and ruined it all.

Princess's have for all ways been the pawns of political match making, girls have been barter in alliances for centuries

quick edit bellow

The first thing that came out of the marriage was Hanse Davion declaring war on The Capellan Confederation, before he'd even got to the marriage bed.

Having once got his paws on the material wealth of the Lyran Comonwealth, he then, was responsible for thousands of deaths.

Hardly a union of love, but one of blood

Edited by Cathy, 24 December 2013 - 10:24 AM.