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[Bullseye69]

Anyone running a new R9 series card with mechwarrior online post how it doing please. Very interested in the R9 270X and the R9 280X performance in game. Saw on the november developers update that out of the box Direct X 11 runs slower than Direct X 9 so I might have to do a video card update again. So moneys tight but curious on how in Direct X 9 these cards preform. If you have any of the new R 9 or R 7 serious card let everyone know how it working out for you if you can.


On a side note if your running a 7870 or 7850 would be interested in that to.





Thanks for the Help....

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Currently mwo is still DX9 and highly CPU bound so a 7850 or 7870 can max it out at 1080p. We'll know more about GPU dependance once DX11 hits the test server but I suspect it'll require more GPU power to max out mwo and less CPU power.

[TSB101]

Bullseye69, on 02 November 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

Anyone running a new R9 series card with mechwarrior online post how it doing please. Very interested in the R9 270X and the R9 280X performance in game. Saw on the november developers update that out of the box Direct X 11 runs slower than Direct X 9 so I might have to do a video card update again. So moneys tight but curious on how in Direct X 9 these cards preform. If you have any of the new R 9 or R 7 serious card let everyone know how it working out for you if you can.


On a side note if your running a 7870 or 7850 would be interested in that to.





Thanks for the Help....

270X = rebranded 7950 (7870?)
280X = rebranded 7970
290X = actual new card

They are not new cards just have some new paint and a different name. Look up benchmarks for the original they will show you how these cards will perform in MWO.

My recommendation? Try to snag the cards under the older generation name. You will likely find them at a better price for (practically) the same thing. I just picked up a 7970 myself after the release of the R9 cards at a decent price. Basically a heavily discounted 280X.

*EDIT*

See here:

http://www.extremete...chips-from-2012

Edited by TSB101, 02 November 2013 - 12:36 PM.

[ArmageddonKnight]

Rebrands and new cards (inc upcoming)

R9 270x - 7950
R9 280x - 7970ghz
R9 290 - new lower clock/cores 290x
R9 290x - new top end

GTX 760 - GTX 670
GTX 770 - GTX 680
GTX 780 - New Cut down Titan
GTX 780ti - New Possibly beafed up 780 / possibly beafed up Titan
GTX Titan - New - Cheap compute card and capable gaming card. Unlike Quadro cards which r only good for compute.

So the sensible person looking for NEW cards would only look at the R9 290/x , GTX 780/ti.

One could argue the Titan, but unless ur using the Compute side of it, its just for epeen. (no disrespect for Titan owners intended)

When Nvidia officaly releases the 780ti both AMD and Nvida will have all their cards on the table so to speak and its expected that performance charts will be as follows. (stock)

780ti
290x/Titan
780
770/280x
760/270x

The top 4 cards being within a hair of each othe performance wise with OC'd version beating out stock version of cards above it.

[Catamount]

Note that while the R9s are the same GPUs as the last generation with the exception of the 290x/290, some are tweaked and give somewhat better performance, like much of the Geforce 700 vs 600 series.

The R9 270x, for instance, is really a very slightly differently clocked 7870GHZ Edition. It's literally an identical GPU. However, it's actual performance is that of the 7950, not the 7870GE

http://www.techpower...R9_290X/27.html


So yes, look up benchmarks for old cards in MWO to give an idea, but make sure you're matching the right R9 and 7000 series GPUs, in terms of perfomance. The 270x may be a pitcairn chip, but it performs like Tahiti all the way. We can also extrapolate for the unrealeased cards reasonably; the 280 should basically be on par with a non-GE 7970, the 270 should be between the 7850 and 7870, and the 290 will likely have no analogue from the 7000 series, but will be between the GTX 770 and 780.

Anything over the 270x or 7870 for that matter is overkill for MWO at 1080P, and that likely won't change even with DX11 unless major new graphical features are introduced (tesselation maybe?), or extreme framerates are desired.

[Truesight]

Catamount, on 02 November 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

So yes, look up benchmarks for old cards in MWO to give an idea, but make sure you're matching the right R9 and 7000 series GPUs, in terms of perfomance. The 270x may be a pitcairn chip, but it performs like Tahiti all the way. We can also extrapolate for the unrealeased cards reasonably; the 280 should basically be on par with a non-GE 7970, the 270 should be between the 7850 and 7870, and the 290 will likely have no analogue from the 7000 series, but will be between the GTX 770 and 780.

280 will be faster than a stock 7970, it is just 50 mhz slower than a 7970 ghz edition, it also runs at a lower voltage setting, using less power than that 7970 ghz edition.

But yeah, with cards like the 270X or above you are very likely to run into a cpu limit since mwo is not putting a lot of load on the gfx part.

[Catamount]

Truesight, on 03 November 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

280 will be faster than a stock 7970, it is just 50 mhz slower than a 7970 ghz edition, it also runs at a lower voltage setting, using less power than that 7970 ghz edition.

But yeah, with cards like the 270X or above you are very likely to run into a cpu limit since mwo is not putting a lot of load on the gfx part.

The 280X is already only 9-10% more powerful than the 7970 non-GE, so if the 280 is more powerful than said 7970 as well, then it'll completely displace the 280X in the market, because it'll get identical performance for less money. Also, the 280 only has 1792 stream processors, to the 7970's 2048. Basically, the 280 is, on paper, identical to the 7950 Boost. So that's what it should perform like.

But yeah, even with a decently OCed i5-3570k, my 7970 bottlenecks a fair bit most of the time. It wants to do 80fps, and my CPU wants to do 50, so like a typical marriage they "compromise", and do 50

Edited by Catamount, 04 November 2013 - 04:51 AM.

[Rhalgaln]

I use a R9 280X saphire vapor-X now and it runs fine.
Frames did get up at maximum details to an average above 50.

Its much better than the Diamond 6870 I used before.

Since the R9 cards are cheaper that the old cards with same chipset, there is no reason to stick on those old ones.

The Saphire runs at 54° Celsius, 80% GPU, 30% Memory usage and is really silent compared to the 6870 with reference layout.

[Catamount]

Yeah the Vapor-X cooler is definitely as good as it gets, and the Dual-X cooler is also really good (although at only $20 difference, I'd get the Vapor-X 280x). My 7970 gets to maybe 60 at full load, 70 if the room is really hot. My room can get up to 35C or so while gaming during the summer, even when AC is on in the house.

Edited by Catamount, 04 November 2013 - 09:42 AM.

[F lan Ker]

S!

Currently using the 7970HD GHz Edition, but waiting to get my hands on the 290X Normal FPS now is usually at range of 60-80FPS with occasional dips in intense scenes. Using FX8350 as CPU.

[Catamount]

F lan Ker, on 04 November 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

S!

Currently using the 7970HD GHz Edition, but waiting to get my hands on the 290X Normal FPS now is usually at range of 60-80FPS with occasional dips in intense scenes. Using FX8350 as CPU.

Since the 290x is going to be a modest increase in performance, why not get a 280x (or another 7970) and go Crossfire?

[Truesight]

Catamount, on 04 November 2013 - 04:49 AM, said:

The 280X is already only 9-10% more powerful than the 7970 non-GE, so if the 280 is more powerful than said 7970 as well, then it'll completely displace the 280X in the market, because it'll get identical performance for less money. Also, the 280 only has 1792 stream processors, to the 7970's 2048. Basically, the 280 is, on paper, identical to the 7950 Boost. So that's what it should perform like.

But yeah, even with a decently OCed i5-3570k, my 7970 bottlenecks a fair bit most of the time. It wants to do 80fps, and my CPU wants to do 50, so like a typical marriage they "compromise", and do 50

I meant the 280X, i do not know of a 280 (no X). Is that card really available?

[Catamount]

Truesight, on 05 November 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

I meant the 280X, i do not know of a 280 (no X). Is that card really available?

It's not released yet, but the 280 will be a rebranded 7950 Boost, while the 270 should be a rebranded 7850, though maybe buffed up like the 270x. I don't know the ETA for them, though.

[Rykiel]

Looks like the 290 is the new sweet spot for video card gaming, sitting in at a incredible $399 for GTX 780 performance -- I can't wait for the MSI LIghtning/ASUS Matrix/Sapphire Toxic versions; been thinking of getting 2x 290s for some Crossfire action on an Eizo Foris 240Hz gaming monitor (or three) --

http://www.hardocp.c...ew#.Unk-kxuuLuo

http://flatpanelshd....l&id=1383107475

[ArmageddonKnight]

As much as i like seeing AMD push Nvidia, im still a little (only a little) dissapointed with the 290 series cards.

They run really hot (ok they are designed that way but its still bloody hot)
They chew up power (again not to big a deal if u have a big PSU)
The stock cooler is loud.
The most important part imo though. They dont OC very well when compared to the 780.

Stock reference 290, 290x, and 780. OC them all and the 780 wins.

Price performance though, oh hell yes, but then again AMD have always won the price:performance battles.

Hopefully we can see wha tthey can really OC to when we get some more Water Cooled figures, i honestly dont see even non reference air coolers doing much to help when the thing runs at 95c on its stock cooler. I hope im wrong though.

Edited by ArmageddonKnight, 05 November 2013 - 12:00 PM.

[Catamount]

The 290 doesn't need water cooling. Toms used nothing more than an aftermarket air cooler and got ridiculously good performance out of the 290.