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[Barantor]

Abivard, on 05 November 2013 - 11:05 AM, said:

the MG itself weighs half a ton..each round weighs 1 pound.

what an utter load of nonsense.

the M2 ready to rumble, minus ammo is a whole 127 pounds.

A modern round that we use now (which is superior to anything MWO should have)

• Cartridge, Caliber .50, Saboted Light Armor Penetrator, M903

This cartridge has a 355 – 360 gr (23.00 – 23.33 g) heavy metal (tungsten) penetrator that is sabot-launched at a muzzle velocity of 4,000 ft/s (1,219 m/s). The 0.30 in (7.7 mm) diameter sabot, which is designed to break up at the muzzle to release the penetrator, must also survive the gun environment until launch. It is injection molded of special high strength plastic and is reinforced with an aluminum insert in the base section. The cartridge is identified by an amber sabot (Ultem 1000). For use only in the M2 series of machine guns. This round can penetrate 19mm of steel armor at 1500 yards. What the BT makers thought was a MG is anyones guess, But they were real ignorant people.

Not everyone is a gun nut, and since they were making a science fiction game they could honestly do whatever they wanted.

Remote turret style units for a machine gun could weigh the amount listed in BT/MW but only if it took into account the armor around the gun, the feeding mechanisms and all the items connected to the gun itself.

Basically one 'machine gun' in MW/BT in my mind equates to something like this....



Which would obviously weigh more than an M2 on a tripod.

[Karl Streiger]

The damage of each ballistic weapon in BT is a kind of multiplication of caliber and rate of fire.
If you wan't to know the exact caliber you have to use RPG rules:

the portable machinegun is named as .308 while the semi portable machinegun is .5
they have a weight of 11.5kg or 20kg.

A .05 deals only 0.75 tactical damage it is less capable vs infantry. range is reduced and if i understand the values - it means that a single burst of a .5 uses 20 shots in 10secs.

A mech machine gun weights up to 500kg - even a ton for the heavy machine gun derivated from the infantry semi portable autocanon (that deals only 0.77 dmg)

so mech machine guns could fire shorter bursts...packing more bullets into a shorter time frame. For example instead of 2 sec burst its more a kind of a 0.5 sec burst dealing damage.

Regarding S7 rules the machine gun was capable of dealing 2 tactical damage each 2.5sec.

I know that isn't a answer - simple because there is no answer.
could be everything from a multibarrel 4.7 caseless machinegun with 14.000 RpM or a 30mm machine gun with 200 RpM

Edited by Karl Streiger, 06 November 2013 - 05:51 AM.

[stjobe]

The question in the OP can't be answered simply because the calibre of BT MGs isn't defined except for a few 20mm variants.

As for weight; the 30mm GAU-8 weighs in at 281kg for just the gun, and roughly 1800kg for the complete system (gun, ammo bin, ammo, feed system). It's a pretty good fit for the 500kg/1500kg MG with a ton of ammo (although the GAU-8 comes with only half a ton of ammo; 1150 rounds or so) - a much better fit than the 55kg M2 BMG in any case.

[aniviron]

Abivard, on 05 November 2013 - 11:05 AM, said:

the MG itself weighs half a ton..each round weighs 1 pound.

what an utter load of nonsense.

the M2 ready to rumble, minus ammo is a whole 127 pounds.

A modern round that we use now (which is superior to anything MWO should have)

• Cartridge, Caliber .50, Saboted Light Armor Penetrator, M903

This cartridge has a 355 – 360 gr (23.00 – 23.33 g) heavy metal (tungsten) penetrator that is sabot-launched at a muzzle velocity of 4,000 ft/s (1,219 m/s). The 0.30 in (7.7 mm) diameter sabot, which is designed to break up at the muzzle to release the penetrator, must also survive the gun environment until launch. It is injection molded of special high strength plastic and is reinforced with an aluminum insert in the base section. The cartridge is identified by an amber sabot (Ultem 1000). For use only in the M2 series of machine guns. This round can penetrate 19mm of steel armor at 1500 yards. What the BT makers thought was a MG is anyones guess, But they were real ignorant people.

Yeah, those guys designing the giant fusion-powered tank mechs which get carried around in faster-than-light spaceships sure sucked {Richard Cameron} at reading up on modern military hardware! I mean, most of it makes sense, including the part where every mech weighs so little it would float in water, but the calibers and ranges of the machine guns are wrong! How stupid the BT designers were!

[Felio]

.50 cal rounds are about 10 to a pound.

A metric ton is a little more than 2,200 pounds. There are 2,000 MG rounds in a ton. So each round weighs 1.1 pounds.

Therefore, a MG round is about 11 times the weight of a .50 cal round.

[Roadkill]

Duuuuude...

Because space magic > real world logic.

[Abivard]

BT designers weren't really stupid people,but on the other hand, the people who think BT designers were Smart are Stupid people.