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[Ghogiel]

GalaxyBluestar, on 06 November 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

it's too late guys they've been cooking up these scrape heap challenge mutations ever since the "i want cool stuff to justify my trololol builds" crowd came along last year. the designs are only going to look more ridiculous as ac20's are justified to fit on ravens etc etc. some of us warned this would happen so i have no sympathy for the problem. the "moar rambo gunz on me mechs" crowd for omni style customisation have got their bed and they can lie in it.

Adridos, on 07 November 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

... Schadenfreude is the best joy ...

At least everyone else had faith in PGIs art department to do customisation well.

You two are basically saying they were going to make it terrible even before they started lol.

[Captain Stiffy]

Ghogiel, on 07 November 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

everyone else

Edited by Captain Stiffy, 07 November 2013 - 11:50 AM.

[Airborne Thunder]

Ngamok, on 07 November 2013 - 10:26 AM, said:

Oh, you must play in 3PV then.

HOW DARE YOU SIR! No, but if you are in a Cat you shouldn't let the enemy get close enough to take advantage of the hitboxes. You should be spraying them with LRMs from a distance from behind cover. I can handle a little more mass not a little more ugly.

[Adridos]

Ghogiel, on 07 November 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

You two are basically saying they were going to make it terrible even before they started lol.

We simply don't like omni-fication of IS mechs.
And it's always been our point that even if they did dynamic meshes for them, it wouldn't look properly, because of two factors:

1. The modification makes no sense from an engineering standpoint, like the AC/20 raven, for instance.
2. Even if it did make sense, there's no way that each variation gets the proper love it deserves (like, for instance, Cat K2 PPC mod) by the dev team due to deadlines and as such, they will have to resort to bandaid design like the omnipresent PPC-mini, or the rocket launchers like the ones you're looking at now.

[Shadey99]

Airborne Thunder, on 07 November 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

HOW DARE YOU SIR! No, but if you are in a Cat you shouldn't let the enemy get close enough to take advantage of the hitboxes. You should be spraying them with LRMs from a distance from behind cover. I can handle a little more mass not a little more ugly.

LRMs are near useless from behind cover unless you brought your pet spotter and even so your best off within 600m of your target. The best current use of LRMs is using TAG (and Artemis) from ~500 meters or less with clear line of sight.

Though any way you cut it the Stalker makes a fair better LRM boat than the Catapult.

[Ghogiel]

Adridos, on 07 November 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

We simply don't like omni-fication of IS mechs.
And it's always been our point that even if they did dynamic meshes for them, it wouldn't look properly, because of two factors:

1. The modification makes no sense from an engineering standpoint, like the AC/20 raven, for instance.
2. Even if it did make sense, there's no way that each variation gets the proper love it deserves (like, for instance, Cat K2 PPC mod) by the dev team due to deadlines and as such, they will have to resort to bandaid design like the omnipresent PPC-mini, or the rocket launchers like the ones you're looking at now.

1. Engineering standpoint.. hue. When the BJ came out and all the weapon swaps worked, no one batted an eyelid about it.
2. Realize that they already have a better solution to correct missile tubes on many of the load outs already before they even revamped the CPLT. eg 3 LRM5s in an arm can just be the already existing LRM15 boxes.

[Praehotec8]

Adridos, on 07 November 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

"I've told you so!"

I've been worried about this happening for a while, and they managed to make my worst fears come true (regarding the catapults). Non-catapult-like hero, and awful weapon visualization changes. Simply awful...

[Suri Curume]

Everyone calm down. With these design decisions, I think we should just be glad the K2 didn't end up like this

Edited by Suri Curume, 07 November 2013 - 12:37 PM.

[Captain Stiffy]

Suri Curume, on 07 November 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

Everyone calm down. With these design decisions, I think we should just be glad the K2 didn't end up like this

Oh man I just watched some screenshots of this? What an awesome game. I wish MWO could have half of the features.

Edited by Captain Stiffy, 07 November 2013 - 12:56 PM.

[DEN_Ninja]

Well I can't say I am happy about the changes to the missile variant Catapults.

[MonkeyCheese]

Wildflame, on 06 November 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

As the proud owner of a 6xLRM15 Catapult-A1, I feel there are not enough missiles displayed on the model and would like to submit alternative art for the design team to use at their discretion as reference material.



I would also appreciate an update as to when the colour scheme will be applied to the additional pods, to ensure aesthetic consistency. Matte black, as you may have guessed, does not suit my style.

MoonUnitBeta, on 06 November 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

Rofl. I just saw this picture and... this is instantly what my mind went to:



Anyways, this isn't -as- bad as the new ears.. Atleast the side profile hitbox got SMALLER.
I'm really worried about these new missile pod ears I don't know how else to express my anxiety outside of really loud yelling and photoshop.

OK it is 7am for me and I think I may already have had enuff internet for today if that is even possible.

[Vhetra]

Still no love for the Dragon, but they manage to screw over the Catapults...

[Tooooonpie]

I emailed PGI about this asking if it was a bug or not, and got this reply:



Edit: And another reply, major kudos to Reppu for replying and discussing it!

Edited by Tooooonpie, 07 November 2013 - 02:34 PM.

[JDH4mm3r]

"Normalized"

Lemme quote Deathlike:

"Working as Intended™"

[Ngamok]

Reppu never has anything bad to say.

[Tooooonpie]

I should clarify, when he says "Normalised" in relation to the pattern, its because I questioned also why the Pirate Paint Job had changed as well (C1 used to have "Missiles Everywhere" and a less derpy skull, but now its LRM20 size its got the LRM20 C4 paintjob)

[Cest7]

This thread is full of WTF. Why would you choose a Cat as a missile carrier if all the missiles don't fit in the arms!?

Edited by Cest7, 07 November 2013 - 02:19 PM.

[Malleus011]

.... yeah, I liked the Buccaneer paint job better on the C1 boxes as well. I don't like the fat C4 boxes and don't want them on my C1.

[Bront]

Ngamok, on 07 November 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

Reppu never has anything bad to say.

He's also the one who told me he had a 400,000 game after the reduction.

[GalaxyBluestar]

Ghogiel, on 07 November 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

At least everyone else had faith in PGIs art department to do customisation well.

You two are basically saying they were going to make it terrible even before they started lol.

were we proven wrong?

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HurlockHolmes, on 06 February 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

Torso twist reduction on A1, if not all models of Catapult.

K2 needs to have the side torsos changed akin to that one image, somebody even shooped the original concept art to reflect the change and it actually looked really nice.

Other than that, they do have their downsides I guess, just not as obvious as other 'mechs.

the cannon respect in me says NO!

i don't want 6 awesome barrels on a stalker to justify 6 ppcs same thing goes for the k2 DO NOT change the artwork!

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 06 February 2013 - 08:23 PM.

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 07 November 2013 - 04:22 PM.