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[Idea] Loan A Mech


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#1 Golden Dragon

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 04:14 AM

My fiance came up with this idea over dinner. She tends to come up with a lot of good ideas but doesn't care to let the devs know. So here I am as a go-between to shield her from flames.

Allow users to LOAN mechs to other users.

The leaders of the houses/merc groups/(clans?) will most likely have many many mechs and many pilots. There are even players with 50+ mechs in their mechbays sitting there collecting dust.

These people should be able to LOAN their unused mechs to newer players.

How it works:

Why would new players want them? Newer players could be allowed to modify the mech and gain mech xp while using the loaned mech.

Why would old players want to LOAN them? A small % tax will be taken from their match earnings (when the loaned mech is used of course) and sent to the owner of the mech.
Ideally this tax shouldn't be too high so the new player can earn money. But high enough to potentially be an incentive to LOAN the mech.

Why do we need this system?
1) New players may not have tried all the chassis or even different weight classes before they purchased their mechs. This could be another alternative for them
to try new mechs, along with trying differing loadouts on those loaned mechs.

2) Competitive teams could ensure that they have the dropdeck they want for any particular game. Maybe some members don't have all the necessary mechs. If the
team leader/other members could loan them, they'd never have this problem.

3) (Reason for PGI) Paying players will have incentive to purchase more mechs and mechbays.

4) Old players might search for new players to loan their mechs. Making friends, getting cbills, and helping a new player all in one.

Note: If this idea is already in feature suggestions. Then consider this post as a supplementary idea for why we want it and how it can be implemented.

Thank you for your time.

Edited by Golden Dragon, 22 October 2013 - 04:18 AM.


#2 FinsT

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 04:54 AM

Well, you gave 4 reasons to back up your idea. None of which is massively convincing to me, because:

1) new players more than anyone else are in need of c-bills. Paying c-bills for loaned 'mech would slow them down in buying their own things. And no, they wouldn't get an easy way to find out what they like to pilot and what they don't, - because this changes very quickly and dramatically as new players mature. Like, they could take a nice and mightily developed Atlas this week, pay for loaning it, and find they like it very much; then buy the same model to own it, using c-bills they piled up from their cadet bonus. But next week, they loan a jager, and suddenly realize that Atlases are piles of utter {Scrap}. After saying some not so nice words aloud, they enter a long grind in their own atlas to earn c-bills to get a jager. Exhausted from it, they sell their Atlas as soon as it'd be enough total c-bills to get a jager. Only to find out their brand new jager is nothing like the one they were loaned a ~week ago - it's clumsy, they don't have the weapons they want (more c-bills grind needed), modules for it a miles away in the future, - and overall, their old Atlas was a bit better for them. Which they just sold.

What would you think they'll think about loaning 'mech feature?

2) Any seriously competitive teams would NEVER allow anyone to pilot any mech the pilot is not closely familiar with. If he doesn't have it, - then he's not competitive with it. Period. Loaning would not help; i mean, any reasonable person wouldn't loan a mech for at least many dozens battles he needs to get familiar with, - and then keep loaning it to drop with the unit, - because it's so much reasonable to just buy the thing and own it.

3) Some of paying players would have incentive to purchase more if loaning 'mech would indeed be popular thing. I.e., if there would be "clients", so to say. "Some" - not all, - because many of paying players would not bother to do it; others would see it as an activity which potentially creates unnesessary tension and negative emotions - by not all, but some of "clients". I am a paying player, and i am both of that. Even being relatively new (playing for a ~month so far), i already have 2 mastered 'mech i don't play at the moment, - but i'd never loan 'em out to anybody except for a good friend and for free (no payment from him to me). Those "paying customers" who'd lease my mech for their c-bills would possibly leave a mess in the cockpit, too! :D Next, for the loaning to be popular - i.e. for many players be willing to loan a mech, - well, there must be many players willing to loan a mech. Which, considering the above and the following, is doubtful to me. And, if there are few to none players who would be willing to loan a mech, - then, correspondedly, the incentive you are talking about would vanish. How PGI can be sure it'd work, then? I guess PGI can't be. And, i guess, PGI wouldn't be willing to implement a feature "just to see if it works". You know?

4) Old players might search for new players even now, - if they'd like to do so. Extra c-bills as an additional incentive? What kind of friendship it'd be, if the old player's significant reason to get in touch in the 1st place, - is desire for c-bills? Besides, many, if not most, of old players have mountains of c-bills already. More than they need. And often, same with friends: being an old player is likely to mean you have lots and lots of friends, familiar with lots of people who are not your friends, and are overall buried under more social interactions than you would possibly want.

I am not saying your idea is {Scrap}; but i am saying some alterations are probably needed before it might actually be more useful than useless. Myself, curiously enough, i'd imagine that loaning 'mech to someone for a _negative_ price, - i.e., giving them a mech to pilot, AND a sum of c-bills on top of it, - may be a thing i'd like to be able to do. Simply a gift of some c-bills and a mech or few for, say, a full month to control, given to my new friend in the game? Sure, i'd like to be able to do so. Possibly many other players, - among whom some are indeed very "old" players, - would possibly like to be able to do that, too. But earning c-bills outta new players? Geez. No, i wouldn't like. We have enough difficulty with many casual players turning away from MWO simply because it has not exactly standard FPS-like controls. No need to make more potentially-upsetting-for-some-of-new-players features, really. I mean, gotta be very careful with it, you know?

Cheers!

Edited by FinsT, 22 October 2013 - 04:58 AM.


#3 Mad Mechanic

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:06 PM

I've actually been pondering this idea for the last few days actually. I just recently brought a friend in to play MWO with me but is stuck playing with trial mechs. I have plenty of mechs to spare at the current time (since I bought the Overlord Phoenix pack), and being able to loan him mechs from my collection would allow him to find mechs he likes without being stuck with the same 4 trial mechs for however long it takes the devs to change up the trial mechs.

I wouldn't necessarily charge for loaning a mech, I certainly would not tax earnings on the mech while it is being loaned, but perhaps having the option of charging c-bills to essentially be a rental service would allow an alternative to players to make money, but don't make it mandatory. If I want to loan my friend a mech to be used, I'm not going to charge him for it as well.

I would like to see this mechanic added to the game, and it could easily be justified within the scope of CBT cannon if necessary.

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#4 Troa Barton

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:00 PM

i wholeheartedly support this

#5 Zarlaren

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 05:54 PM

I would see this after the new player has burned through the new player cadet 25 match C-bill bonus if they do it during it would hurt them alot. New players need that C-bill to buy a mech of there own so they really need to take advantage of there cadet bonus first before loaning.

#6 Enzane

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 06:16 PM

Trial Mechs.

#7 Mad Mechanic

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:55 PM

View PostEnzane, on 06 November 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

Trial Mechs.


I really don't think the Trial Mechs rotate often enough to give an adequate sampling of what is available for platforms.

Not to mention that often times the trial mechs are "champion" editions which can only be had for MC. Now I can half-way understand PGI doing this since they want new players to start paying in by buying MC right off, so "baiting" them with a sort of "hey look at these shiney mechs you can have for $5 worth of MC" is understandable from a business standpoint; but from my perspective, if I was a new player I would rather trial a mech I can actually then go and purchase with my Cadet Bonus C-bills.

Edited by Mad Mechanic, 08 November 2013 - 02:58 PM.


#8 Enzane

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:03 PM

"Champion" or "Community" edition mechs are not special. They are stock Variants that the Community builds. You can MAKE the same exact mech for C-bills. It's just there if you want to buy it for MC.

So yeah. You CAN get those mechs for C-bills.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:22 PM

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