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[Alistair Winter]

While there is some FF with bad intentions, a lot of it is simply carelessness. Some fans have suggested that there should be some sort of penalty, but I think a lot of people would be more careful with FF if Betty just informed us every time we did damage to a teammate.

Right now, the reticule flashes red whether you hit a friend or foe, so you often don't know if you've caused damage to friendlies in the middle of a brawl.

[Stingray Productions]

kinda like on MW4, even it it was an accident, if you so much as scratch a friendly (which is just AI), they curse your head off and say, "WATCH YOUR FIRE MAN!" I guess it gives the same end result, it causes the shooter to become more wary of their fire as they desire to be more careful to not shoot teamates. Not a bad idea Alistair, certainly a good step in the right direction.

[Caboose30]

I have a better idea. How about people just DON'T SHOOT until there's a bad guy in sight, instead of unloading into the ground at round start and then *shock* when they accidentally hit someone in the back.

[Stingray Productions]

JuiceCaboose, on 05 November 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

I have a better idea. How about people just DON'T SHOOT until there's a bad guy in sight, instead of unloading into the ground at round start and then *shock* when they accidentally hit someone in the back.

wait, don't shoot until there's a bad guy in sight?! dang, never thought of that!, i ought to try it! jk man, anyhow, i think it's important to just master our controls. Anyhow, often times friendly fire is on accident. I've done it a couple of times, what happened is when i was moving my mouse, i lifted it up (like we all do when looking fast in one direction or another) and i accidently hit one of the buttons. My own unfortunate fault, but my mouse has extra buttons, and one is on the side right where I hold it to lift it up, and KAPOW!, hit it accidently, and there happens to be a friendly right in front of me. I don't make that mistake anymore, just learned control, but it still goes to show that we ought to master ourselves first and our controls, as any true mechwarrior should.

[Alistair Winter]

JuiceCaboose, on 05 November 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

I have a better idea. How about people just DON'T SHOOT until there's a bad guy in sight, instead of unloading into the ground at round start and then *shock* when they accidentally hit someone in the back.

Yeah, and instead of speed limits, everyone should just use common sense.

Unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that.

[Stingray Productions]

Alistair Winter, on 06 November 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

Yeah, and instead of speed limits, everyone should just use common sense.

Unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that.

"There is nothing more uncommon than common sense." -Frank Lloyd Wright

[Rasc4l]

Alistair Winter, on 05 November 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

some sort of penalty, but I think a lot of people would be more careful with FF if Betty just informed us every time we did damage to a teammate.

Why not. But what would she say? "Warning, friendly fire detected."? Because Betty needs to be a cool ***** here and not get carried away with it, because otherwise that will **** off some small souls and provoke them to FF more.

EDIT: Getting around censorship to get my message across, sigh...

Edited by Egomane, 08 November 2013 - 02:45 AM.
Getting around censorship will get you in trouble

[FinsT]

Stingray1234, on 05 November 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

kinda like on MW4, even it it was an accident, if you so much as scratch a friendly (which is just AI), they curse your head off and say, "WATCH YOUR FIRE MAN!" I guess it gives the same end result, it causes the shooter to become more wary of their fire as they desire to be more careful to not shoot teamates. Not a bad idea Alistair, certainly a good step in the right direction.

Yep. This.

[Scromboid]

She has to yell at the people stepping into my line of fire, too.

[Varth Shenon]

What about a module/Equipment/something that allow the weapon to jam itself so that FF can be avoided/reduced

[Bagheera]

Alistair Winter, on 05 November 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

While there is some FF with bad intentions, a lot of it is simply carelessness. Some fans have suggested that there should be some sort of penalty, but I think a lot of people would be more careful with FF if Betty just informed us every time we did damage to a teammate.

Needs to have both a penalty and a notification.

[Zarlaren]

JuiceCaboose, on 05 November 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

I have a better idea. How about people just DON'T SHOOT until there's a bad guy in sight, instead of unloading into the ground at round start and then *shock* when they accidentally hit someone in the back.

I don't mind shooting the dirt or some building at start but however the fire should be controled to not hit someone. I do it for fun but I usually just shoot where there is noone there.

[Darth Futuza]

JuiceCaboose, on 05 November 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

I have a better idea. How about people just DON'T SHOOT until there's a bad guy in sight, instead of unloading into the ground at round start and then *shock* when they accidentally hit someone in the back.

I'm pretty sure this happens because a lot of people alt tab out of the game during startup and then use their mouse to click on the game window to return to game only to find out that mouse 1 is usually bound to a firing group. Solution: alt tab back into game, don't use that darn mouse.

[Koniving]

I can just picture it now, a slow minute long message: "Friendly fire has occurred."

I do wish our Betty spoke a little quicker. I realize the targeting tidbit (queued every time we aim at an enemy) wasn't popular, but listen to the speed of this Betty concept before we had a functioning Betty. Derived from Mechwarrior 3.


Note: Pay special attention to warnings and to target information. "Critical hit! Target; Gauss Rifle; Destroyed."

[wintersborn]

I agree there should be a battle log and I think Betty? should inform you who shot you and warn the shooter.

If the offending TK'er continues I think his Betty should shut off his weapons since he can not handle them.

PGI will never enforce TK'er bans since all they seem to do is protect a specific player base.

[Roadbeer]

wintersborn, on 07 November 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

PGI will never enforce TK'er bans since all they seem to do is protect a specific player base.

[wintersborn]

You know Roadbeer I think its kind of cute how you stalk me on the forums, but again I don't swing that way.


Is there a clip art site just for Trolls?

[Egomane]

wintersborn, on 07 November 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

PGI will never enforce TK'er bans since all they seem to do is protect a specific player base.

Actually... Roadbeer is right! This is a broken record!

This nonsense is sprouted again and again. But the same players, who keep repeating it, wouldn't dare to do any action that would endanger their account of a possible ban.

PGI and IGP do ban players regularly. It doesn't matter if they paid money for premium content or if they are on a totally free account. If you break the rules, you will face consequences. Just like here on the forums.

It isn't the first time I see you making that statement, but you can not, in any way, validate it. As you are, with your repeated false information about supposedly non-existent ingame punishments, indirectly ecouraging griefing, you are therefore possibly indirectly responsible for ingame rules violations, I'll warn you right here and now to stop spreading this false information. If you don't stop it, I'll have to moderate you for encouraging griefing the next time.


And now everyone get back on topic. This is a feature suggestion for more information from Betty and not a discussion about griefing.

Edited by Egomane, 08 November 2013 - 02:19 AM.

[Zerberus]

Only if she gets a pissed off scottiosh accent.

"He`s on your team, you dumb trigger-happy ******"

"The red ones, not tha blue, you colorblind ********"

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[Tiamat of the Sea]

Totally on your side on this one, Alistair.

Something like 'You are shooting your teammate.' would fit well with her eternally-calm voice, too.

I've committed friendly fire accidentally a number of times when in an especially large 'mech due to the difference in location of my cockpit and arms, and not due to lack of self-control/fire-control. It's not always obvious (particularly when your buddy you accidentally shot in the shoulder is firing the same kind of weapon from their shoulder) and some kind of alert is really warranted.

It would also help if friendly 'mechs under ECM would stop losing their little blue triangles.

I just know I'm going to step on those too, and it's going to be such a pain in the foot actuator...