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#21 Threat Doc

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 02:56 PM

View PostPwnocchio, on 19 November 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

No it is not. It's nobodies job to be understanding in this relationship. It's PGI's job to make money. It's not our job to give them money.
I never said it WAS our job to give them money. If you don't want to support the game, which I see from your later post that you have, anyway, then you don't have to. If you want a better product, then quit crying about what you don't have, now, or ****.

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This is the nature of the Buyer - Seller relationship.
Copout. They're still every bit as Human as you are. Do you want them to reserve the right to refuse service to you? That's also the nature of the buyer-seller relationship. Just go away.

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You seem to believe that there is some friend - friend relationship obligation here, but there isn't. This is just business.
I don't believe there's a friend-friend relationship, I believe there's a Human-Human relationship. God, it's no wonder we don't get any information from them.

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It's not about 'Promises', it's about doing business.
That's not what you said in your previous post.

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They created demand and raised expectations by announcing future features and tagging those features with a projected release date.
PROJECTED being the operative phrase, here. Projected means 'this is when, barring any problems, we would really like to have this out for your guys.' Apparently, they keep running into problems, which they are solving one-by-one.

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Again, you aren't dealing with your good buddy who promises to pay you back next week, you are dealing with a corporation.
I understand that, but you seem to be forgetting what makes up a corporation. I've said it before, and I'll say it, again, if you can do better, if you can build a game better than this, get to it. If you can make it better than this one, I'll give YOU all my money. Somehow, I seriously doubt you could stand up to all the bloody negativity you'll have to put up with, and will not even get a good start on anything before you quit.

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The onus is on PGI, not the customer. There is demand for a good Mech game, but if PGI markets a product that they can't deliver it's not the customers obligation to buy that product.
You're absolutely right; happy trails! I didn't say it's the customers responsibility to support a Free-to-Play game they don't like; what I am saying is that if the customer believes in the future of the game, and is willing to support it, then it's their responsibility to be understanding.

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Kay, when you get older you'll understand why this statement above is 'pretty far out there.'
Mahucka, I'm 42! I understand exactly what I said to you. I have to wonder if you actually understand what the buyer-seller relationship actually should be. Do you order a birthday cake from a local shop, then when you go to see it you berate and curse the store owner because they got a letter wrong? No, you wouldn't. But, you seem to think you have this untouchable persona while online, like so many other people, and you can do no wrong with your foul language, the improper verbiage you use, and how you treat others. When you go to Wal-Mart, and you can't find what you need, do you find a sales associate and tell them you're never going to shop there, again, because they don't have what you're trying to buy? No, you find a sales associate and ask if you somehow missed the product you need, and if you didn't, if they have any in stock, or if there's some way it could be ordered. If people would act online with decency and respect, the way they generally act in real life, a lot more would be done by the corporation/seller for us consumers. That means you are the one that does not understand, is not mature enough to handle, what's going on with the game.

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It's like yelling to a car buyer "If you don't like that your Toyota accelerates on it's own when you are trying to stop it you should just learn how to code your own Engine Control Module Software!"
Touche. The difference between that example and this is that you're not going to die or be heavily injured if the code of this game doesn't work properly.

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In the end if there are people taking exception to PGI missing deliverable dates it is entirely the expected response. There really isn't a need to get upset with them about it. It's what customers do.
Yeah, if we get sick and tired of hearing it, we should get upset and tell them to shut their pie holes. It's not something that customers do apart from their computers, and if they do, they really should have been raised better, and/or learn to grow some manners.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:07 PM

View PostHeffay, on 19 November 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

I agree. At the end of the day we want the employees of EA to be driving around in gold plated Teslas. If they are successful and get rich off this game, that means they made a game that people wanted to (and did) spend a TON of money on.

If an individual doesn't like the particular direction of the game, that is their problem, not EAs. I just hope they can sleep well knowing they have a small group of disgruntled players out there on their mattresses stuffed with 100 loonie bills.


Notice how easily interchangeable the two companies were in the part I quoted.

Be careful what you wish for.

#23 Heffay

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:11 PM

View PostMadcatX, on 19 November 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:


Notice how easily interchangeable the two companies were in the part I quoted.

Be careful what you wish for.


EA didn't make MWO. PGI did.

Your post makes no sense at all.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:20 PM

View PostKay Wolf, on 19 November 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

Copout. They're still every bit as Human as you are. Do you want them to reserve the right to refuse service to you? That's also the nature of the buyer-seller relationship. Just go away.


You don't understand business.

If I can't afford to buy more MC (because I have to make my house payment) PGI isn't going to just gift me a premium account... you know... because they are human too.

PGI wants happy paying customers and lots of them. They do that by offering a good product with good service.

If you really want them to start denying service to customers who complain about missed deadlines, then for the sake of their own market share, I hope they don't believe in your brand of customer service.

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I understand that, but you seem to be forgetting what makes up a corporation. I've said it before, and I'll say it, again, if you can do better, if you can build a game better than this, get to it. If you can make it better than this one, I'll give YOU all my money. Somehow, I seriously doubt you could stand up to all the bloody negativity you'll have to put up with, and will not even get a good start on anything before you quit.


This argument is why I mistook your age group, sorry about that.

You need to understand that PGI is in the business of making computer games. I'm not in that business. I'm in another line of business that earns me a salary. That salary lets me buy computer games without having to actually code computer games in the same way that it lets me buy a steak without butchering a cow. There are vast volumes of text explaining why this kind of Labor Differentiation is a really good thing for all of us.

I can't really improve upon what has already been written on that subject, but I hope to impress upon you that it is a meaningful concept to grok.

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what I am saying is that if the customer believes in the future of the game, and is willing to support it, then it's their responsibility to be understanding.


...and I've already bought two bundles worth of 'support'.

Look, if you are only talking to the people who play this game for free, then I've got you all wrong. You are right, kinda. I mean PGI should still want to make their product so fantastic that even those free players will want to pay up, but in general, yeah, I agree that those people shouldn't be expecting PGI to spend a lot of time trying to make them happy.

However, if you are talking to the people that dropped $120 on a founders bundle or even $80 on an Overlord... mate, they've already shown a lot of support for PGI in precisely the way that PGI hoped to receive such support, with cash.

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Do you order a birthday cake from a local shop, then when you go to see it you berate and curse the store owner because they got a letter wrong?


If they muck up my cake and don't provide good service when I complain I'll just go to another baker in the future.

Edited by Pwnocchio, 19 November 2013 - 03:21 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:30 PM

View PostHeffay, on 19 November 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

EA didn't make MWO. PGI did.

Your post makes no sense at all.


I said interchangeable.

I shall elaborate then.

Your post made it very easy, in it's context, to make PGI comparable to EA in it's desire for money over it's care for the products it releases.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 04:17 PM

View Post0rca, on 18 November 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

Soon ©

Soon™

Edited by Viges, 19 November 2013 - 04:17 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:12 PM

View Postclownwarlord, on 19 November 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

NEVER!!! Really PGI will come up with more reasons to say screw you and walk away. Heck after the big burn a pillage of the wallets with Project Phoenix why stick around and provide us with anything. They got what they wanted and now they have nothing to give us (or more like no reason unless they can put more price tags on things).

Oh well, people say today will be the update for a new map at least (but eventually that will get really old).

I would like to point this out again ... I said never and yet another patch goes by with nada!

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:35 PM

View Postclownwarlord, on 19 November 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

I would like to point this out again ... I said never and yet another patch goes by with nada!

And if we do get all of that stuff I sure you'll be there to tell us that it sucks and we all got cheated.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:02 PM

View PostFabe, on 19 November 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

And if we do get all of that stuff I sure you'll be there to tell us that it sucks and we all got cheated.

I will if it does suck ... I actually like playing this game but it sorta is getting boring. Only 2 game options and lately the only new content is mechs and maps (a little re-working in the background but nothing of real note).

More over though I doubt they will actually get anything put together until next year and when they do they will have to do to it like they do to everything (re-work it).

Edited by clownwarlord, 19 November 2013 - 07:02 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:50 PM

View PostHeffay, on 19 November 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

EA didn't make MWO. PGI did.

Your post makes no sense at all.



Why am i not surprised that you dont get it at all. Seriously Heffay... do you even try anymore at this point?

His post btw makes more sense then most of the drivel that you spew over everyone who disagrees with you.

Fact is PGI said stuff would get done. People are ready to throw money at them. Stuff is not here... money is not thrown.

You however expect people to keep throwing money at PGI without PGI delivering the goods.. just because so YOU can keep playing this game.

You are the most egotistical hack on this forum expecting other people to pay for your fun and keep playing a game that is not fun for them just to entertain you.

And when people say "Hey i want that stuff you said you would deliver, why isnt it here when you said it would?" they suddenly become "the enemy" and stiffling innovation and all that jazz...

Fact is Heffay, and theres no way around it: If PGI wont deliver, people wont buy anymore. And no matter how often you rant and rave and insult people here on the forum its not going to change.

Also the negative press will only stop when PGI finaly delivers on their promises. You have basically no argument to defend PGI but "let them do it im sure they will deliver"

And we have heard that song and dance for OVER a year now and NOTHING so far has been delivered.





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