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[Victor Morson]

There's quite a few good heroes out there. I highly recommend the Ilya Muromets, Dragon Slayer, Heavy Metal first and many others second. There's some bad ones out there like the Pretty Baby, some seriously flawed ones like the Yen-Lo-Wang and some average ones that offer not much different in terms of experience.

But the one everyone regrets is The Golden Boy.

Why am I making this announcement? To help save you the pain of owning one of these machines. You see, for gaining precisely one extra energy slot over the KTO-18, the Golden Boy starts with a 220 engine while the other Kintaros start with a 275.

What does this mean? Simply put, the Golden Boy can run one thing well: A light hunter loadout, but it can't muster the speed to use it, being stuck in the 80s. Meanwhile, the Cbill KTO-18 can push 120+ with the same load out!

Yes, that means the Golden Boy is massively inferior to the regular Kintaro line, which is the last thing you probably want in a hero.

Again.. save your MC. Go purchase one of the Heroes recommended on this list, or check out some of other popular models like the Misery or decent cbill boosters like the Protector. You will get a fun 'mech capable of grinding a lot of money for you.

... just don't get this one, unless you are looking to purchase one thing: Regret.

tl/dr: Golden Boy trades +1 energy slots for 40+kph top speed and is the worst Kintaro in the game, as well as possibly the worst hero.

Edited by Victor Morson, 17 November 2013 - 02:21 PM.

[Jon Gotham]

I disagree utterly my friend. It can have a few good load outs. The key here is to not treat it like the other Kintaros. You can't just copy the other builds.
I currently run a twin lrm 15 build on it and average around 400+ a match with it. 150-200k cbills per match.
This is FAR from a bad mech.
It may however just not suit you.......

[VIPER2207]

kamiko kross, on 17 November 2013 - 04:28 AM, said:

I currently run a twin lrm 15 build on it and average around 400+ a match with it. 150-200k cbills per match.

you can do this on every other KTO-variant, PLUS all of them have better torso- and arm-movement rates... just wanted to point that out

[LegoPirate]

the GB took the throne from the PB as the worst hero mech when it came out. also, for the record the firebrand is also a pretty sweet hero mech.

[Satan n stuff]

Victor Morson, on 16 November 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

OP

You are seriously uncreative if you can't make that one extra hardpoint work for you. Sure it's got a lower engine cap than the others, but what's stopping you from just stuffing it full of weapons? 8 weapon hardpoints on a medium is a luxury, not a hindrance.
Edit: it's maximum top speed is 94 by the way, which isn't quite as bad as you make it look.

Edited by Satan n stuff, 17 November 2013 - 05:15 AM.

[Jon Gotham]

VIPER2207, on 17 November 2013 - 04:34 AM, said:

you can do this on every other KTO-variant, PLUS all of them have better torso- and arm-movement rates... just wanted to point that out

Yes this is quite true:)
But...it's nowhere, even remotely near as bad as the op wants to make out. The only hero mech I have not liked is the Jester-but that is down to me and my style.
The Golden Boy is NOT a bad mech.

[VIPER2207]

kamiko kross, on 17 November 2013 - 05:10 AM, said:

The Golden Boy is NOT a bad mech.

i din't say that... only thing i wanted to say is, that some (or all, i don't know) other variants of this mech are better than the GB

[Xeno Phalcon]

When it first came out it was a terrible mech, super slow and a massive CT made it a terrible waste of $20. Now its basically a somewhat slow KTO-19 with a cbill boost - nothing special, but not especially bad either.

[Koniving]

***** n stuff, on 17 November 2013 - 04:59 AM, said:

You are seriously uncreative if you can't make that one extra hardpoint work for you. Sure it's got a lower engine cap than the others, but what's stopping you from just stuffing it full of weapons? 8 weapon hardpoints on a medium is a luxury, not a hindrance.
Edit: it's maximum top speed is 94 by the way, which isn't quite as bad as you make it look.

Twin PPCs + LPL and still get max armor, almost top speed. 3 LLs barely get any heat scale either.

[Satan n stuff]

Koniving, on 17 November 2013 - 07:14 AM, said:

Twin PPCs + LPL and still get max armor, almost top speed. 3 LLs barely get any heat scale either.

It's doable to use all hardpoints and still get max armor and top speed, or to use all of them and put some heavy weapons on it to give it some range instead.

[Victor Morson]

kamiko kross, on 17 November 2013 - 04:28 AM, said:

I disagree utterly my friend. It can have a few good load outs.

Any good loadout they run can be put on the KTO-18. With a drastically improved engine. Did you read the OP?

Golden Boy gains precisely *1* energy slot for a massively reduced top speed. It's horrible.

Xeno Phalcon, on 17 November 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

When it first came out it was a terrible mech, super slow and a massive CT made it a terrible waste of $20. Now its basically a somewhat slow KTO-19 with a cbill boost - nothing special, but not especially bad either.

Except that the other Kintaros are primarily best at light hunting. You can't light hunt in the mid 80s for speed.

Fact of the day: The Victor can be setup to outrun a Golden Boy, which is amusingly, as big as the Victor. It's a massive amount of junk because, again, you can run other Kintaros that all move quicker with almost no loss to firepower. The Golden Boy can't even keep up with a Centurion.

Koniving, on 17 November 2013 - 07:14 AM, said:

Twin PPCs + LPL and still get max armor, almost top speed. 3 LLs barely get any heat scale either.

There's a ton other 'mechs if you wanted to run this that do it better, including other Kintaros. Golden Boy is far and away the worst Kintaro - all of the typical Kintaro drawbacks in an "outrun by assaults" package.

Edited by Victor Morson, 17 November 2013 - 02:19 PM.

[Nick Makiaveli]

Victor Morson, on 17 November 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Any good loadout they run can be put on the KTO-18. With a drastically improved engine. Did you read the OP?

Golden Boy gains precisely *1* energy slot for a massively reduced top speed. It's horrible.



Except that the other Kintaros are primarily best at light hunting. You can't light hunt in the mid 80s for speed.

Fact of the day: The Victor can be setup to outrun a Golden Boy, which is amusingly, as big as the Victor. It's a massive amount of junk because, again, you can run other Kintaros that all move quicker with almost no loss to firepower. The Golden Boy can't even keep up with a Centurion.



There's a ton other 'mechs if you wanted to run this that do it better, including other Kintaros. Golden Boy is far and away the worst Kintaro - all of the typical Kintaro drawbacks in an "outrun by assaults" package.

The reason I don't take what you say seriously is you repeat the "mid 80's" when someone else has said it can do 94. Yet you ignore that.

Also you point out that an assault known for it's mobility can out run the GB then go on to say "outrun by assaults" like there is more than one that can do it.

Not saying it's a good mech, I don't own one. I am saying that exaggerating and ignoring mistakes (yours or someone else's) isn't a good way to get people to listen to you.

[Jon Gotham]

Victor Morson, on 17 November 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Any good loadout they run can be put on the KTO-18. With a drastically improved engine. Did you read the OP?

Golden Boy gains precisely *1* energy slot for a massively reduced top speed. It's horrible.



Except that the other Kintaros are primarily best at light hunting. You can't light hunt in the mid 80s for speed.

Fact of the day: The Victor can be setup to outrun a Golden Boy, which is amusingly, as big as the Victor. It's a massive amount of junk because, again, you can run other Kintaros that all move quicker with almost no loss to firepower. The Golden Boy can't even keep up with a Centurion.



There's a ton other 'mechs if you wanted to run this that do it better, including other Kintaros. Golden Boy is far and away the worst Kintaro - all of the typical Kintaro drawbacks in an "outrun by assaults" package.

You seem to have quite the aggressive attitude mate. I'm not disputing your points in the main, but I am disputing your obvious disdain for it.
I own one, and have 3 loadouts I alternate between. My GB is effective and fun to play. Not once have I thought "lord, this mech is dire."
You don't like it then fine-but don't spout vitriol and discourage others. It's a perfectly usable mech that prints C-bills like they are going out of fashion.

[luxebo]

While the golden boy is a bit under the other Kintaroes and also gimped worse, it can hold one more hardpoint (missile or energy depending on what you're comparing to) and has top speed of 94.0 kph, not the mid 80's (without speed tweak 85.4 kph, but everyone has speed tweak). It may be one of the worst heroes in the game, but it's still a hero, and it's better to use a golden boy than something like this: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b9c8d06f1f7e481 (dual ac20 cicada) or this: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...26b652c721b797f (terrible atlas K). The golden boy also has one benefiting quality, being able to hold a total of 26 SRMs and 3 Med Lasers at the same time, which can do quite a lot of damage. (Then again KTO-18 holds 30 missiles, but those four last missiles can't really compare to the extra med laser.) Oh and yes it can keep up with a cent, only about 4 kph less. Oh and Victor, Koniving is the guy that plays with stuff like Flamer Spiders and ROFLPults so don't judge his builds. He doesn't play as many competitive builds as you yourself does. So TLDR; golden boy might be gimped but can still be a worthwhile buy. It's still a hero.

[Victor Morson]

***** n stuff, on 17 November 2013 - 04:59 AM, said:

You are seriously uncreative if you can't make that one extra hardpoint work for you.

You can make it work for you.. on a 55 tonner that's moving in the 80s and carrying a loadout to kill 35 tonners. No thanks.

luxebo, on 17 November 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

It may be one of the worst heroes in the game, but it's still a hero, and it's better to use a golden boy than something like this: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b9c8d06f1f7e481 (dual ac20 cicada) or this: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...26b652c721b797f (terrible atlas K).

You heard it here folks: The Golden Boy may not be good, and may even be horrible, but it's not as horrible as a gimmick Cicada. So put your credit card information in today and buy now!

kamiko kross, on 17 November 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

I own one, and have 3 loadouts I alternate between. My GB is effective and fun to play. Not once have I thought "lord, this mech is dire."

Clearly you haven't driven a KTO-18 for comparison, or better yet, a Shadow Hawk or Centurion. Then you would, in fact, be saying "Lord, this mech is dire. But not a direwolf, because then it would be awesome."

Nick Makiaveli, on 17 November 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

Not saying it's a good mech, I don't own one. I am saying that exaggerating and ignoring mistakes (yours or someone else's) isn't a good way to get people to listen to you.

How about "The KTO-18 does every single thing the GB does but does it far faster and better for the price of a single energy slot." Is that direct and accurate enough? Given the Golden Boy costs a lot of money and there are other great hero options, warning people away from it strongly is in fact a public service.

Edited by Victor Morson, 18 November 2013 - 01:49 AM.

[Tahribator]

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What does this mean? Simply put, the Golden Boy can run one thing well: A light hunter loadout, but it can't muster the speed to use it, being stuck in the 80s. Meanwhile, the Cbill KTO-18 can push 120+ with the same load out!

You missed the intended role the developers gave to this mech. It's not meant to be a light hunter at all. By losing a considerable amount of speed but gaining one more E hardpoint compared to the 18, this mech is meant to be the SRM brawler. You're supposed to stick with your heavies and when (and if) a brawl occurs you go in and mop up.

Without straying farther, just look at the stock build. It has a facemelting alpha of 70, this guy even surpasses assault level damage. You can facehug assaults and heavies and just obliterate them in two alphas. So use it in it's intended role, and you'll do well. The tricky part is getting close in the right moment in today's meta, but that's all about your experience and skills.

It is debatable if the extra energy is worth it over 18, but as with the some other hero mechs; this mech offers a further step in one direction. As a dedicated brawler, I definitely have my eyes on it.

[Satan n stuff]

Victor Morson, on 18 November 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

You can make it work for you.. on a 55 tonner that's moving in the 80s and carrying a loadout to kill 35 tonners. No thanks.

As I said, seriously uncreative.

[Victor Morson]

Tahribator, on 18 November 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

this mech is meant to be the SRM brawler.

Well holy {Scrap} and Good God it failed at that. It's beaten in an SRM brawl by a Centurion, Shadow Hawk and even Trebuchet. Five missile hardpoints are also so many that it'd hit ghost heat issues if the last two were anything but SRM2s.

That's why the only good loadout is a light hunter with 5 SSRM2 and you don't want to be moving slow for that!

[John MatriX82]

Good heroes for this meta: Dragon Slayer, Misery, eventually the Firebrand

Second choices, Ilya, Heavy metal, eventually YLW/Boar's.

All the rest.. third liners aka stay away from them.

[Tahribator]

Victor Morson, on 18 November 2013 - 03:02 AM, said:

Well holy {Scrap} and Good God it failed at that. It's beaten in an SRM brawl by a Centurion, Shadow Hawk and even Trebuchet. Five missile hardpoints are also so many that it'd hit ghost heat issues if the last two were anything but SRM2s.

That's why the only good loadout is a light hunter with 5 SSRM2 and you don't want to be moving slow for that!

Yeah, I'm sure a Commando can also solo it in third person and with armlock. How you pilot it is entirely subjective, one with some brawling experience can absolutely facemelt with this thing and the other can get absolutely demolished with a fail build and gameplay.

Look, if you don't like it, and fail to see the potential. That's fine. Going to the new player help section shouting "PSA: DON'T BUY" is however, wrong. This is definitely a potent mech in it's intended role.