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[Crimson Angel]

The whole point of ELO is to balance teams to make the game fair and fun for everyone.

IMHO, for me, and probably for quite a few of you this is not the case.

I don't have the stats but I would say that 2/3 of my games are loses with the majority of those being massacred by the the other team.

That and seeing instances of gross tonnage imbalances. Tonnage limitations really need to be the deciding factor in matchmaking.

This is a great game, it doesn't need much work apart from community warfare and I for one want it to see it at it's full potential.

So, as the title says folks, make your voice heard.

[ToxinTractor]

Well best bet would be to make a poll.. though IMO if they add some thing to at least let us see where we are in the ELO system id be okay with that.

[Fuggles]

post your W/L ratio from your stats showing that you loose 2/3s of your games. im willing to bet your close to 50%.

people can blame ELO all you want, but games are alot more balanced now than they were before.

[Crimson Angel]

Win/Lose 2,608 / 1,731.

Fair point, but bear in mind quite alot of that is from before ELO was introduced. After, It has kinda went downhill for me.

[ssm]

Crimson Angel, on 11 December 2013 - 04:34 AM, said:

Win/Lose 2,608 / 1,731.

Fair point, but bear in mind quite alot of that is from before ELO was introduced. After, It has kinda went downhill for me.

It kinda means that ELO works - it's point is gradually putting you against better teams until you reach roughly 1:1 W/L ratio. If it went uphill for you, that would mean that ELO is broken.

Edited by ssm, 11 December 2013 - 04:38 AM.

[Blurry]

It doesnt matter PGI dont care.
Just buy MC and Hero mech Please.

Sorry and sad to say but that is how I feel right now.
Everything should be done that could encourage a fun game. Making matches as even as possible is at the top but is that going to happen? Na.

But I do promise in the new year a whole new mech package for sale under the guise of Clans and yes CW will be nowhere to be found.

[Heffay]

Crimson Angel, on 11 December 2013 - 04:34 AM, said:

Win/Lose 2,608 / 1,731.

Fair point, but bear in mind quite alot of that is from before ELO was introduced. After, It has kinda went downhill for me.

Play a couple of hundred games, track the results, and get back to us.

[Crimson Angel]

Heffay, on 11 December 2013 - 05:02 AM, said:

Play a couple of hundred games, track the results, and get back to us.

More than happy to. Curious myself actually.

Edited by Crimson Angel, 11 December 2013 - 05:19 AM.

[Warblood]

ELO = Win/Loss ratio per weight class

http://soundcloud.co...-heat-scale-elo (@ 38:30 mins in)

[XX Sulla XX]

Elo is not perfect but the game is better than before we had it.

[Ransack]

XX Sulla XX, on 11 December 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

Elo is not perfect but the game is better than before we had it.

I agree with this. We really need those weight restrictions though.

[Mechteric]

If only you knew how badly the pugstomping was before Elo matching... oh the tears.

[OneEyed Jack]

ssm, on 11 December 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

It kinda means that ELO works - it's point is gradually putting you against better teams until you reach roughly 1:1 W/L ratio.

Completely untrue.

Elo scores move very little or not at all if the results of the match are as predicted by the difference in scores. A person could easily win or lose more often by a considerable margin, with almost no movement in their Elo score, if their match results are consistently.... consistent with the prediction.

Myself, I've had a positive W:L record the entire time Elo has been in effect, by a significant margin (~1.2). While I do think my Elo has climbed a bit, with the number of matches I've played, if it worked the way you think it does I'd have to be the highest-ranked player in the game. I find that unlikely.

BTW: You can calculate your W/L since about the start of Elo by looking at your mech, map, or gamemode stats. Gamemode is the easiest, being only 2 scores. All that stuff began tracking right around the time Elo did. Shortly after, if I recall, since Elo began tracking a short while before it was implemented in the MM.

Edited by OneEyed Jack, 11 December 2013 - 06:28 AM.

[Threat Doc]

While I agree this game is extremely fun and, except for a few things I find to be reprehensible, balanced, I also agree I would like to see more game and fewer sales. Making money is fine, and I understand that needs to be done, not only to keep the game afloat, but to reward those who've worked so hard to bring us such a fine version of the BattleTech universe, but the way it's being done is more like hawking wares than promoting the game. I hope some of this advertisement hawking will end with the advent of UI 2.0, which I had hoped would be in yesterday.

[Roughneck45]

XX Sulla XX, on 11 December 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

Elo is not perfect but the game is better than before we had it.

Ransack, on 11 December 2013 - 05:59 AM, said:

I agree with this. We really need those weight restrictions though.

CapperDeluxe, on 11 December 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

If only you knew how badly the pugstomping was before Elo matching... oh the tears.

QFT

Would be nice if the higher ELO's didn't have to fail to find match repeatedly too. Doesn't happen all the time, but happens way more often than it should, sometimes for 30+ minutes.

[Roadkill]

OneEyed Jack, on 11 December 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

Elo scores move very little or not at all if the results of the match are as predicted by the difference in scores. A person could easily win or lose more often by a considerable margin, with almost no movement in their Elo score, if their match results are consistently.... consistent with the prediction.

Only theoretically true. Not true in practice (meaning with the MWO matchmaker).

Elo 1601 vs Elo 1599. Difference engine predicts that 1601 is going to win. But because the two scores are almost the same, the delta is going to be the k-value no matter who wins. How much you win by is irrelevant - Elo does not take margin of victory into consideration.

What you say is only true if the starting Elo values are wildly different, which shouldn't happen very often since that's exactly what the matchmaker is trying to prevent.

CapperDeluxe, on 11 December 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

If only you knew how badly the pugstomping was before Elo matching... oh the tears.

Yeah I had an 11:1 win:loss ratio at one point during those days. The current matchmaker is far better than the one in closed beta.

[Threat Doc]

So, Roadkill, what you're saying is, the matchmaker and Elo actually work counter to one-another? If I have that right, what is the point of doing so?

[Kyle Lewis]

Blurry, on 11 December 2013 - 04:40 AM, said:

It doesnt matter PGI dont care.
Just buy MC and Hero mech Please.

Sorry and sad to say but that is how I feel right now.
Everything should be done that could encourage a fun game. Making matches as even as possible is at the top but is that going to happen? Na.

But I do promise in the new year a whole new mech package for sale under the guise of Clans and yes CW will be nowhere to be found.

Well ELO seems to be working fine in the chess community and has been for years. So how exactly do you think ELO affects you?

[Sandpit]

Would it be ok if I just put an asterisk next to "remove this" items that are already on my list? ELO is already on there so I obviously can't add it twice (much like duplicate posts add the same thread twice....) so would an asterisk every time it gets repeated be ok?

[TheCaptainJZ]

ELO works great for me. Not every match is balanced, but my overall experience has been. The people having trouble with ELO are those at the top or bottom. Since the scores are distributed as a bell curve, those in the top or bottom have almost no one in the same bracket to match with so they either fail to find a match, or get paired up with a bunch of low ELO players to average things out. That is the biggest failing of ELO right now. Once they have weight restrictions in, it should even things out a little better, but there will always be problems with any kind of match making solution.