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[Alaskan Nobody]

Victor Morson, on 10 December 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

a lot of what he has been saying for far to long.

In the end - you believe me a fool
and
I believe you a narrow minded bigot
Have a nice day Vic.

[Mercer Skye]

Hobo with a Shotgun says the Shadowhawk wins. (Not new player friendly, it's just soooo much fun, so much evil fun).

[Alaskan Nobody]

Victor Morson, on 10 December 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

"An Awesome is inferior in every way to a Victor and Battlemaster. Skip this bad chassis for a better one, ideally the Victor."
=
"STOP HAVING FUN YOU GUYS"

It is when you repeatedly mock and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Quothe the "God" Victor Morson:

Victor Morson, on 03 December 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Shar Wolf builds bad 'mechs.

That sound like a person open to other peoples options to you?
If it helps, he had similar things to say to people such as ....oh....Koniving....

[Victor Morson]

Shar Wolf, on 10 December 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

I believe you a narrow minded bigot

Awesome is terrible = Narrow minded bigot

[Cerberias]

Sorry Shar, Vic is right, and has tonnes of proof simply from the fact that competitive groups tend to use the 'best' minmaxed mechs available, and those mechs he has highlighted are generally the ones used.. If you want to keep handicapping yourself to 'have fun', you're perfectly welcome to. A lot of people however, don't have fun when the game is inbalanced against them, and running the less powerful mechs are essentially a choice to make yourself less impactful or reliable in a game. Do you really want me to go through logical reasons why the mechs he's choosing are powerful? Or are you, infact, the one who is closed minded?

[Victor Morson]

Mercer Skye, on 10 December 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

Hobo with a Shotgun says the Shadowhawk wins. (Not new player friendly, it's just soooo much fun, so much evil fun).

I'm not a huge fan of the LBX, but as far as LBX builds go, this is pretty solid (If too slow for non-pugs).

One recommendation though: Dump at least a half ton of armor from that unused arm and throw a second small laser on.

Actually I'd recommend you dump that entire arm and use the rest to re-up your legs, too.

Edited by Victor Morson, 10 December 2013 - 03:56 PM.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Cerberias, on 10 December 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

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My complaint is not that he supports the meta - but that he insists anything BUT the current meta is by definition absolute bottom of the heap garbage, and thus not worth even experimenting with.

There is a LOT more room for flexibility in PuGs or 12v12 than he allows for, and his insistence that there is not is what I call him closed minded for.

[Aceramic]

The problem is that Victor isn't "recommending" anything. He's telling the newbies "you will be trash and non-competitive if you don't do exactly what I say".

Whereas, I bought a Jager-S as my first 'mech. Hated it. To date, it still has one of my all-time lowest KDRs. Bought an 8Q, loved it (The 8T and 8V were a blast as well). Tried a Jenner, hated it. (to be fair, I think the Jenner was a trial at the time). The only reason I'm having fun with my Battlemasters is because I'm a terribad player that runs them with an XL400.

Basically, my point is... Victor has some good points but... Take them with a grain of salt, and figure out what's fun for you. Just because it's not the current top-tier FOTM build/mech doesn't mean you can't have fun and do well.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Aceramic, on 10 December 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

Take them with a grain of salt, and figure out what's fun for you.

According to Victor himself (check the first couple pages where I and others make that same salt statement) you are not allowed to do that, without by default, becoming bottom tier.

Edit: think our salt statements were actually in his full mech list thread.

Edited by Shar Wolf, 10 December 2013 - 08:31 PM.

[Victor Morson]

Shar Wolf, on 10 December 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

My complaint is not that he supports the meta - but that he insists anything BUT the current meta is by definition absolute bottom of the heap garbage, and thus not worth even experimenting with.

Except where I give the Orion a rating of 3 and the Boar's Head a 3.5, etc. I even talk about owning Trebuchets and how they're not a good option, but not horrendous.

Sure I push newbies to get 5/5 mechs, as they should.

Yeah the Golden Boy gets a 0. Yeah the Awesome gets a 1 (too high for it, really). They're terrible. But that doesn't make your statement anymore true, either.

Aceramic, on 10 December 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

The problem is that Victor isn't "recommending" anything. He's telling the newbies "you will be trash and non-competitive if you don't do exactly what I say".

Whereas, I bought a Jager-S as my first 'mech. Hated it. To date, it still has one of my all-time lowest KDRs. Bought an 8Q, loved it (The 8T and 8V were a blast as well). Tried a Jenner, hated it. (to be fair, I think the Jenner was a trial at the time). The only reason I'm having fun with my Battlemasters is because I'm a terribad player that runs them with an XL400.

Odds are if you bought a Cataphract or Victor first, you'd not have gone through any "hating it" phases.

No matter how good you are in the 8Q, you would be far, far better off in a Victor 9S. You would wreck a mirror image of yourself in the Awesome without question. That's my point.

Edited by Victor Morson, 11 December 2013 - 01:19 AM.

[Bront]

Victor Morson, on 11 December 2013 - 01:18 AM, said:

Odds are if you bought a Cataphract or Victor first, you'd not have gone through any "hating it" phases.

Not true.

I started Cataphrats last week, and I started off hating them.

Admittedly I'm running the 4X and 2X without DHS, so I've tempered my expectations a bit, but my CT has felt like a billboard, they feel slow, and I'm not thrilled with the hardpoints layouts.

Sometimes, even a "superior" mech doesn't fit your playstyle, and sometimes an "inferior" mech works better for you.

Ultimately, it's a game, people can have fun in any mech.

[Ngamok]

Bront, on 11 December 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

Ultimately, it's a game, people can have fun in any mech.

Pretty much this. I have fun playing how I like. I mix things up so I don't get bored with everything being identical. I like to try new things out. If I were doing 12 mans, i wouldn't be because some of my builds while super fun to play, won't work there. So if I am solo or in a 4 man group, I play ways that I want to try and have some fun with, not be a 4xAssault player all the time. I just finished my Shadowhawks that all had various weapons on them just so I can mix things up, keep it somewhat fresh.

[Jonathan Paine]

Much as I agree with the general "Awesomes are terribad (8R exception!!!)", and mostly find myself agreeing with many of Victor's meta-suggestions you might consider this:
A new player starts off with a very low Elo rating and is therefore slightly less likely to face off against douches like me. Getting a bad mech will hold you back, for sure, but it is holding you back from having your face blown off by a combo of AC20 fire and Arty/Air-strikes on a general basis.

You might want to take advantage of that and play whatever mech you want, even an awesome. A few thousand games in, you might not feel quite as free to play substandard mechs.

[John MatriX82]

I agree with the OP, the Shawks are a good starter mech, although they aren't that cheap.

You can learn to love JJs, learn ballistics, missiles; they're somewhat low on energy but the most balanced variant, the 5M is imho the best overall learning platform.

For me they have obsoleted not only Hunchies and somewhat Cents (a 2D2 can easily do 4xSRM4s, but you aren't effective as a Cent at zombieing using dual SRM4s), but also Kintaroes and QuickDraws. KTOs because.. 2D2 can be built pretty much a streaktaro but with JJs and a much better shape/hitboxes, while QKDs actually lack of ballistics, are extremely beefier in comparison and have huge and easy to hit legs.

I also think the Shawks will stay on the top even after Griffin and Wolverine introduction; probably the Griffin has better chances to replace the SplatCent-A if PGI will ever decide to fix the SRMs, the Wolverine looks to have absolutely out-of-scale legs, it risks to share the fate of the Quickdraws.

Edited by John MatriX82, 11 December 2013 - 12:13 PM.