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[WM Jeri]

Thorqemada, on 07 December 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

Btw. is there an article floating around in the Internet about the new Consoles that may be the last of its kind as Mobile Devices take over and each generation of Consoles sold less then the former while have rising costs at any front.
PC gaming is also strong as ever and Steam had recently a new record of Players online.

Yep Thor I agree, percentage increase for example for 2012 Steam membership in comparison to console memebership growth over the same time frame shows a strong resurgence in PC gaming. So no, I don't think PC gaming is dead. This game may be on its way to being dead but thats more the management of the IP rather than the PC platform.

I know our unit has pretty much moved to an inactive status and withdrawn all financial support at this point for most of our members 100 plus pilots and thats the risk IGP and PGI runs the longer they draw out thier dev cycle for core game features, as more of us move on to other games that draw our interest and we become. "invested" there we are less apt to come back here.

You really cannot have a 2nd launch for a game so while a game can be killed off the PC platform itself is more resilient.

http://www.gamefront...wth-since-2012/

Edited by WM Jeri, 07 December 2013 - 09:44 PM.

[Red squirrel]

One thing I noticed is that lately, when PUGging, I seem to be dropped more and more against complete newbs. (e.g. people fighting in 3PV in a MG Spider, those guys that dont understant maximum and minimum range, people who dont know how to set up weapon groups).

As I doubt that my ELO suddenly dropped to complete noob, I expect that due to less veteran players PGI had to increase the ELO brackets allowed for the match maker.
Mh, maybe it's also because I play at obscure times. It really makes a difference whether you play during US or EU peak time or not (e.g. 5 AM pacific time - 1 PM UTC).

[Primetimex]

It's bad enough that MWO has a really crappy UI with the really buggy chatroom but even worse is the fact that it is stuck in DirectX 9 and doesn't even run properly on current top-spec PCs - and still has those annoying freezing bugs, hard crashes, session lost to boot.

I ask players not to spend another cent on this game until we see real progress. It's a joke and insult to keep selling dribs and drabs of mechs, trinkets and paints that's being rehashed over and over while the real problems bugs are not being ironed out and we see no new content and game modes for months and months on end.

My Unit - the Black Omen has also now become mostly inactive, a lot of players have simply stopped playing, burnt out, and have simply moved on to other games.

Edited by Primetimex, 08 December 2013 - 03:48 AM.

[KHETTI]

Played 6 games so far today, 5 of them the matchmaker failed to find 24 players.
one team one or two players short has become very common since the last couple of months, add in tonnage and chassis mismatches, the fact the matchmaker quite often puts a group on one side and none on the other.
Great fun, this game is done imo, 2014 will see mwo close its doors at this rate.

More and more this game looks like a cash grab scam.

[Rhent]

What do people expect? PGI has set the game back again by making it Jump Sniper Warrior. The shortsightedness of the game development team should be a career killer for them in the industry.

They took a game based on an existing rule set and changed large chunks of it while not adjusting other parts of it. Think about it, one turn in TT is 10 seconds. So, a PPC and an AC/10 should only fire one shot every 10 seconds. However, in MWO world, a PPC fires once every 4 seconds and an AC/10 fires once every 2.5 secs. So now MWO is suffering from weapon imbalance, especially for weapons that do damage in one hit. Lets look at JJ's, which have a linear increase in their efffectiveness as you add more JJ's, however in MWO, you get the majority of your jump height spending tonnage for 1 JJ.

People quit playing the game when jump sniping became the meta. People also quit playing when sniping became the meta or when streaks were the meta or srms where the meta. The DEV team just have major issues thinking through their whacky ideas and what they will do when implemented. The end result is they are chasing away their paying customers and turning paying customers into FTP. I haven't spent any money on the game since ghost heat and the gauss rifle fiasco.

[Blurry]

I quit after about a month.

matchmaker is horrible and gives one sided stomps day in and day out. Even with prem time and hero mech at the end you dont make a whole lot.
It just isnt fun either - 12-1 for either side
considering the huge grind for mechs it just isnt worth it.
If they dont value my time or money then why bother? When they decide to give a solo q and fix up the MM I will be back but no point if the game at the core just isnt fun.

[Blurry]

Red squirrel, on 08 December 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

One thing I noticed is that lately, when PUGging, I seem to be dropped more and more against complete newbs. (e.g. people fighting in 3PV in a MG Spider, those guys that dont understant maximum and minimum range, people who dont know how to set up weapon groups).

As I doubt that my ELO suddenly dropped to complete noob, I expect that due to less veteran players PGI had to increase the ELO brackets allowed for the match maker.
Mh, maybe it's also because I play at obscure times. It really makes a difference whether you play during US or EU peak time or not (e.g. 5 AM pacific time - 1 PM UTC).

it is always prime time somewhere in ftp!

[Goose]

Koniving, on 06 December 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

12 man missions aren't much fun anymore, so many are abstaining from it.

No MatchMaker/ No Game

[PictishWolf]

Not trying to steal the thread but I think the reason we haven't seen any official competitions lately is because it would give an indication of how many players there are(n't). Some never compete so the number of active players is obviously larger than the number of competitors, but you can see after your first match approximately how many are competing. If that number is very low, it would be an indication as to the popularity of the game (if you choose to call it that).

[Zeus X]

Unit of 100+ with 50+ active competitive people are now down to maybe 4 people playing.

We are burnt out and until PGI gets off their a$$ and produces some real content, I don't see us returning anytime soon.

[RichAC]

MisterPlanetarian, on 07 December 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

PC gaming is dying? Are you insane? The fact that you think EA Sports going console killed it means you probably are, no argument needed. Seriously though, The PC has gone nowhere but up but the same can be said for gaming in general. Just because consoles ended up with the largest market share does not mean PC gaming went backwards. The PC is still the platform of innovation. Esports had it's origins on the PC and is to this day dominated by PC titles.

The only reason why consoles ever made it big is because they appeal to a casual consumer electronics customer base who have no real knowlege of the products they are buying. A PC is harder to get used to and waaaay more expensive unless you want to learn to be atleast a little tech savvy. Pre Builds are usually overpriced as hell and sometimes won't even let you upgrade them.

Piracy can be a problem but the industry is not helping with some of its insane DRM policies, piracy got an increase when demos were phased out for example. The Extremely large amount of games aswell as the pricetag with DLC's included is also one of the reasons piracy is so high, it's hard for the hobbyist to afford everything they want if its 80 dollars all in all per title.

People forget that steam started off as a DRM system for Half-Life 2 but ended up as a store when Valve saw the digiltal distribution market as a completely untapped source of revenue. The Reason people put up with Steam is because it offers great value compared to traditional retail with its many sales and generally lower prices.

TL;DR PC is not dying.

Consoles were always bigger, nintendo and sega? or how bout before them atari and intellivision. now its xbox and playstation. when the 8080's came out with cga monitors pc games started getting more popular. In the 90s they were AS popular, because the graphics on pcs and game play potentials, blew the consoles out of the water completely. Not even true anymore. None of my family and friends game on pcs anymore even though they all used to.

but w/e. The PC industry itself is going downhill. Just look at the stocks, amd, dell, ibm, pick anytying.. I don't consider android apps pc programs...sorry lol. You can't even do anything practical on a phone. Its not a pc replacement. People use them because their laptop is too frustrating to use....period. And i'm not an arrogant *** enough to blame users for getting virused, when NBC.com was giving people viruses not too long ago. Its happening to everyone if you actually do anything on your pc. I don't care how savy you think you are.

I will agree though, computers are still the platform for innovation. Thats why innovation is taking a back seat!!! League of legends is definitely not pushing innovation, imo, it also doesn't mean pc's are popular like they were a decade ago. Are people really buying 500 dollar graphics cards to play LoL? What games are even really worth the hardware? Even mwo isn't really using any of the new gpu tech or multicore cpus.... EA Dice is the last of the mohicans, and i'm not sure they will stick around on pc after BF4.

As far as steam goes, I predicted that would stop single player pirating. It didn't at all...I was totally wrong.

Its nice to think happy and positive thoughts, but EA sports is only one example of many. When most pc companies are going out of business or losing stock, to believe otherwise only makes you more crazy then me and actually delusional.

Edited by RichAC, 08 December 2013 - 01:28 PM.

[Lindonius]

I have just written about my concerns about the state of the player base on this rant about where I see this game going and I will reiterate my concerns here that as far as I'm concerned, from entirely personal anectodal evidence, this game is tanking.

Long search times which often result in "no match found" (even when pugging), Comstar TS server is a ghost town, I see the same names over and over again and my friends list which once was a sea of green is now a scorebored (see what I did there) of MIAs.

[GalaxyBluestar]

GalaxyBluestar' said:

Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:19 PM
state of the game is 1 fix for every 10 bugs and all over the place in regards to weapons configuring, op or not op enough etc. then the lacking of a lot of content ontop of some hasty/poor decision making that's backfired and as it's opened to the bank big time with merchandise beta is becoming a worn out excuse. if this trend continues over the next 2-6 months this game won't see another christmas. sad when it has such potential for indepth meching around.

additional same faces in battle/ cause they like the brawl fest and cashcows. same faces in forums, cause gameplay is dull and forum arguments, jokes is more fun than game. too many take breaks and qq recomendations for a good game to handle everyone else who aint a hard core mechwarrior fan is packing up and trying other things. we're in sick times.

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 12 December 2012 - 06:23 PM.

http://mwomercs.com/...me/page__st__80

dead by december... pgi lied mechwarrior died... it's happening.

seeing another christmas... only the few then gone.

and that is the doomsday forecast

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 08 December 2013 - 06:59 PM.

[Belorion]

GalaxyBluestar, on 08 December 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...me/page__st__80

dead by december... pgi lied mechwarrior died... it's happening.

seeing another christmas... only the few then gone.

and that is the doomsday forecast

Sounds very much like the doom and gloom prediction about this time last year.

[GalaxyBluestar]

Belorion, on 08 December 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Sounds very much like the doom and gloom prediction about this time last year.

yep... wonder what will happen, cynicism is healthy. to avoid it happening with an "i told you so" smirk or to smile when you're wrong because you wanted succes all along. either way i'll win.

[Tekadept]

The forum population is definitely declining, the game population is of course a different meta.

[Thorqemada]

God, this game is so unbelieveable damned fully screwed...i can stomach this degraded PvP Shooter in a Mech Skin not very much longer.

[xengk]

Whatzituyah, on 07 December 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Hey I kinda like this one.

I will probably get this for Christmas.


On topic.
I play 99.9% PUG and have a K/D of about 1.0. That should put me in the middle of bell curve.
Every drop is often 11 new faces, with the rare occasion of 1 or 2 guy from previous match.

[Ensaine]

I used to play as close to 5 matches an hour as I could get .. now, I play an average of 5 matches a month. Game has little to offer, especially if you were here in Closed Beta.

No 'source', all I can say is the number of people I drop with has significantly reduced, and I hardly see any of the people in my Friends List on anymore.

Both ComStar TS servers are literal ghost towns.

By this time I was expecting |------------------------------------------------------| and we got |-| instead.

Edited by Ensaine, 09 December 2013 - 03:22 AM.

[divinedisclaimer]

RichAC, on 07 December 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

I use to think like you too. But then i first saw EA sports sell the rights to baseball to buy the sole rights to football in 2004, and start to abandon the pc. That was a red flag for me. All the last great pc games were made in 2004/2005. Then tiger woods 2008, which started losing to cheating online, and pirates, made ea sports totally abandon pcs altogether in 2008. Which was devestating to me since I remember playing World Tour Golf from EA sports on the pc in 1987, which was the first pc game where the graphics blew away the sports games on the atari. EA sports was just a microcosm for what many companies did and felt in those years.

When it comes to a singleplayer game, all you have to do is download the torrent. Its the truth. My counter argument to that used to be that you can't use a bootleg online. I used to think steam would stop such things....and while that is still mostly true imo, the fact is hackers ruin the game and drive off the communities by selling cheats. I don't notice any of that going on in mwo that I can tell, but it happens.

For example, I'll use tw2008 again ....where "edgers" are what ruined that game. When EA introduced "true swing" with the mouse, people just used "hard edges" like their rulers, or side of keyboard, or logitech drivers to lock yx axis's etc....so they always hit the ball straight. Which after 2-3 years, ruined the game.

The fact is, when noone wants to play online anymore because of "cheaters", that means they don't also have to bother buying the game, and will just download a bootleg for offline singleplay. Steam was no help, because it still was not practical to only sell a game on steam. or origin, or arc, or w/e other platform. People usually only pay to play online. and when thats gone, so is the money for these companies.

As far as private servers go, well the problem once again is hackers. I use to always defend dedicated servers and private servers. But take quakelive.com for example. which is quake played from a browser, where ID software are basically the admins of even privately paid for and administered servers. This is great becaues in the old days, admins had backdoors into your computers. They would hack the {Scrap} out of you. Mess with your cfg so you were always drowning, plant malware on your computer etc.... It happened...deny it if you wish. I have personal experience with this. playing quake now from the browser on id servers is way more safer. Another problem with dedicated servers, and thank GOD MWO doesn't have them. Is because these little turds will stalk people to amke their life a living hell and drive them from the game. Deny this if you wish....but its the truth. You sir, live in a bubble.

Thirdly, of course it has to do with money. Noone even wants to buy pc's to play games anymore, and these companies don't care cause they can make a fortune with consoles.. I just laid out the main reasons, besides it being easier to program for a universal hardware platform, the fact consoles last longer and look just as good, hackers have ruined it all. They have now ruined the internet in general. Lognstanding communities are ghost towns, forums and blogs and gone and the internet is troll valley. You can't blame phones and ipads. You have to blame viruses rendering good peoples computers too frustrating to use.

I can't tell you how many times EA had to publicly apologize for BF3 being hacked how many viruses I got from that game. How many people got their credit cards and accounts stolen. Your prolly the type of guy that still blames the user in 2013. Shame on you.

Eventually, when these hackers ruin consoles in the years to come, the industry will have to wake up. I too, miss P2P's, its how i learned about computers from family people in the chatrooms like winmx and such. BTW winmx was a network the government was never able to shut down no matter how hard they tried. Research it. Bands of white hat hackers always kept it running till this day. The type of people that dont' exist anymore.

But I miss pc gaming more.

You're stupid.