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[Rhaythe]

Hexenhammer, on 11 December 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

FSM, those things are fugly. Awesome, but fugly.

[William Mountbank]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 December 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

Umm an Assault 'Mech can carry 35+ tons of weapons... Just sayin.

It's true that I was being dramatic for effect, but my HGN-733C currently has a 30 point alpha, so an 8 ML Firestarter isn't something to be sniffed at.

[stjobe]

'Mechs that would break MWO? Interesting, but there's another side to that coin; 'mechs that couldn't compete in MWO.

My favourite is the Panther - a fearsome light direct-fire support 'mech that would be absolute {Scrap} in MWO.
* 140-rated standard engine? Even with a max engine and Speed Tweak it wouldn't break 100kph.
* A single PPC and a single SRM-4? Not quite what I'd call intimidating, and absolutely sub-par for MWO.

[Joseph Mallan]

William Mountbank, on 12 December 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

It's true that I was being dramatic for effect, but my HGN-733C currently has a 30 point alpha, so an 8 ML Firestarter isn't something to be sniffed at.

If your alpha is only 30 point you are doing something wrong. I have a 48 point alpha on my (F)Atlas and that is weak in my book.

[William Mountbank]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 December 2013 - 07:01 AM, said:

If your alpha is only 30 point you are doing something wrong. I have a 48 point alpha on my (F)Atlas and that is weak in my book.

I'm really not sure 2xUAC/5 and 2xPPC on the HGN-733C is wrong... And somehow we seem to have deviated drastically from my original point, which is that a 35t mech with JJs and a 40 point alpha or a 35 point alpha and ECM is enough to make all light mechs obsolete.

[3rdworld]

Pillager

2 ballistic torsos, and energy arms.

Dual AC/20 / goose / maybe quad UACs + Dual PPC + JJs + the same armor as an atlas

Game broken.

Edited by 3rdworld, 12 December 2013 - 07:27 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

3rdworld, on 12 December 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

Pillager

2 ballistic torsos, and energy arms.

Dual AC/20 + Dual PPC + JJs + the same armor as an atlas

Game broken.

Unless you are a power gamer like me! Then game on!

William Mountbank, on 12 December 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

I'm really not sure 2xUAC/5 and 2xPPC on the HGN-733C is wrong... And somehow we seem to have deviated drastically from my original point, which is that a 35t mech with JJs and a 40 point alpha or a 35 point alpha and ECM is enough to make all light mechs obsolete.

That 35 point Alpha isn't Front loaded damage on your 35 ton Mech It is DpS damage an not as impressive as 6 PPC Alphas. or even a 2 PPC AC20 Alpha.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 12 December 2013 - 07:30 AM.

[William Mountbank]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 December 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

That 35 point Alpha isn't Front loaded damage on your 35 ton Mech It is DpS damage an not as impressive as 6 PPC Alphas. or even a 2 PPC AC20 Alpha.

OK, ok, I admit the 35t Firestarter with 7 MLs and ECM is completely underpowered compared to all those 6 PPC Jenners, but it would still break MWO for light pilots.

[3rdworld]

William Mountbank, on 12 December 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

OK, ok, I admit the 35t Firestarter with 7 MLs and ECM is completely underpowered compared to all those 6 PPC Jenners, but it would still break MWO for light pilots.

How so? The 6 ML jenner is super hot, so much so that many light pilots prefer a 5ml build. Trying to get 7 on a 35 ton mech? I doubt it would be viable.

[William Mountbank]

3rdworld, on 12 December 2013 - 07:37 AM, said:

How so? The 6 ML jenner is super hot, so much so that many light pilots prefer a 5ml build. Trying to get 7 on a 35 ton mech? I doubt it would be viable.

True, but you still have one alpha at least for hit and run. But imagine a Spider-5D, because that's what a Firestarter looks like, but with 5 tons more space, and three energy slots to choose from on the right arm, and three on the left. You can still put just 6 MLs on a JJ capable ECM mech, and with full arm articulation, not the restricted version on Jenners.

[Joseph Mallan]

William Mountbank, on 12 December 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

OK, ok, I admit the 35t Firestarter with 7 MLs and ECM is completely underpowered compared to all those 6 PPC Jenners, but it would still break MWO for light pilots.

Well I can get 3-4 Light PPCs on a Jenner come 3067

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 12 December 2013 - 07:44 AM.

[William Mountbank]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 December 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Well I can get 3-4 Light PPCs on a Jenner come 3067

I'll be able to get 3-4 Light PPCs on my Firestarter too, but I'll have ECM and arm articulation in addition.

[Green Mamba]

aniviron, on 11 December 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Really, any assault mech that can run 2ac20 or 4+ ballistics at all.

Which should tell you something about Ballistics.

The main reason that Ballistics are so Uber right now is because of all nerfing to all the other weapon types surrounding them .PGI hasn't figured out that people will just use what gives them the best advantage in game.If they do end up nerfing Ballistics across the board everyone will just go back to using the next easy to use DPS weapon.Probably would be LRMS on masse I would guess.

[Bront]

3rdworld, on 12 December 2013 - 07:37 AM, said:

How so? The 6 ML jenner is super hot, so much so that many light pilots prefer a 5ml build. Trying to get 7 on a 35 ton mech? I doubt it would be viable.

ECM and latteral arm movement mean it's a step up from the Jenner-F. Even if they end up being 3 ML and 3 SL.

[Hexenhammer]

I've decided to up the ante.

Spoiler

[Roadkill]

CarnifexMaximus, on 11 December 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

Im not 100% sure about the Annihilator tbh. Its default engine is 200. Unless I am totally wrong its max engine would be in the ballpark of 240 with the way PGI has implemented the engine caps on assaults (1.2xstock engine no.)

Even if they artificially boosted the cap to say, 300, I know I would not purchase it. Or at the most I would buy one just for a laugh or two but I could never take it seriously. 32 kph stock running speed on Alpine, I think I will pass.

If they artificially boosted the cap to 300, then it could run the same 48 kph as a stock Atlas. I run those all the time and they're plenty fast for the way I use them.

It would also depend a lot on the hit boxes. If it were set up so that an XL engine didn't mean insta-death, you could build some seriously OP ballistic configs on the Annihilator.

Or stick with a standard 300. That still leaves room for ~40 tons of payload.

4 x AC/2, 2 x large laser, and 2 x medium laser should fit easily and run reasonably cool with DHS.

2 x AC/20 with those same lasers might even fit, though it would likely run hot and be ammo constrained. Make it 4 mediums instead and it's trivial.

4 x AC/5 and 4 x medium laser would be trivial. Make 'em UACs and it works but might be tight on ammo.

Even the original -1A config's 4 x AC/10 with 4 medium lasers should fit in MWO, though I'd probably strip the mediums to get an engine bigger than that config's 200.

But yeah... I think the Devastator or the Pillager would be even more broken.

[Joseph Mallan]

Hexenhammer, on 12 December 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

I've decided to up the ante.

I'll take 3 in Lyran Guard colors please!

[Alcom Isst]

[Joseph Mallan]

Alcom Isst, on 12 December 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

That IS one Mech I would be scared to go after!

[FupDup]

Alcom Isst, on 12 December 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

That thing would be focus-fired to death in seconds, even with doubled armor and internals. It would just be too huge and too slow to avoid anything, and would have particular troubles against LRMs.