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[Aeneas84]

I'm having a problem with my Phoenix Griffin-1N variant. I want to put an LRM 15 launcher in the uppermost hardpoint on the right torso and then have two Streak SRM 2 launchers underneath it. This allows me to shoot all 15 LRMs in a single volley. However, when I try to use the mech in the training ground or switch to another mech in the mechlab and then switch back to my Griffin, I see that the missiles have re-orered themselves so that one of the Streak SRM 2 launchers is on the top hardpoint, then my LRM 15 in the middle, and then the other Streak. Besides looking silly, this forces my LRM to fire in 2 volleys since the two lower hardpoints can only fire 10 missiles at a time. This doesn't happen with normal SRM2 launchers, only the Streak SRMs.

I would very much like it if the launchers didn't re-order themselves after I save the mech in mechlab, and I hope it's a bug and not working as intended! Is anybody else having this issue?

[aniviron]

This is a bug that is as old as sized hardpoints for missiles. It happens to most mechs. Several months ago, when asked if we would ever be able to choose which launcher occupied a given hardpoint, the answer was "no," even though they were aware of the problem.

Sorry to bear bad news.

[Bhelogan]

So friggen annoying. In most mechs, at least when you save it with the right configuration, by the order you install it, it stays that way.

[Dirk Le Daring]

Here is a possible solution. (worked fro my Battlemaster)

Save the mech without the lrm 15, exit the game, then finish the build.

Hope this helps.

[Durant Carlyle]

You can try this:

Remove all launchers from the 'Mech. Sell all of those launcher types (in your case LRM15s and SSRM2s) from your inventory. Purchase new ones and put them in the order you wish.

That usually works. It can get expensive though, if you have multiple in your inventory.

[Midnight Camel]

This happens with me with normal SRM2's as well as streaks. I've confirmed that it happens in all three variants. Doesn't happen with LRM20's, only LRM15's. Can anyone verify that the selling all of the launchers works with the Griffin? This can't seriously be working as intended.

[Midnight Camel]

Dirk Le Daring, on 17 December 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

Here is a possible solution. (worked fro my Battlemaster)

Save the mech without the lrm 15, exit the game, then finish the build.

Just tried this with the Griffin and it didn't work.

[Midnight Camel]

Durant Carlyle, on 17 December 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

You can try this:

Remove all launchers from the 'Mech. Sell all of those launcher types (in your case LRM15s and SSRM2s) from your inventory. Purchase new ones and put them in the order you wish.

That usually works. It can get expensive though, if you have multiple in your inventory.

I just tried this with the GRF-3M and I can confirm that it worked. Not sure if I needed to go through all of these steps but I did the following:
1. unmounted all launchers from the 3M
2. sold all of the launchers
3. saved mech.
4. exited game and restarted game
5. went to Loadout of the 3M, purchased the LRM15 and mounted it, then purchased and mounted 3 SRM2's.
6. saved mech and started game.

Thanks for the help. And thanks for costing me 200k to do what should have worked in the first place, PGI.

[Asmosis]

it automatically reorders equipment in a section, currently there is no way to have a specific launcher go to a specific set of tubes.

[Midnight Camel]

Asmosis, on 18 December 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

it automatically reorders equipment in a section, currently there is no way to have a specific launcher go to a specific set of tubes.

Read my post directly above yours. I detailed how I fixed this with the Griffin.

[Cyberiad]

BrassyJack, on 17 December 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

I just tried this with the GRF-3M and I can confirm that it worked. Not sure if I needed to go through all of these steps but I did the following:
1. unmounted all launchers from the 3M
2. sold all of the launchers
3. saved mech.
4. exited game and restarted game
5. went to Loadout of the 3M, purchased the LRM15 and mounted it, then purchased and mounted 3 SRM2's.
6. saved mech and started game.

Thanks for the help. And thanks for costing me 200k to do what should have worked in the first place, PGI.

Less C-Bills for players = more MC purchases! Cha-Ching!

[Bhelogan]

From what their saying above, it sounds like the missile order has something to do with the order the launchers were purchased.

[Aeneas84]

Thanks! Selling the two SSRM launchers and then re-buying two new ones worked, and now the missiles are in the order I wanted in the first place. I do hope they eventually get around to fixing whatever strange logic decided that the launchers needed to be re-ordered, but at least I can configure the mech the way I intended now.

[42and19]

I've read elsewhere that the problem may be that the launcher (or other weapons since this can happen with any of them) have been assigned a position and that assignment is staying with the weapon even if it is removed from the mech.

In other words.

With the Griffin 1N you have 3 energy on the right arm and 3 missile on the right torso. You could number them weapon slot 1-3 I I don't know if it takes section into account or not. It comes with a ppc and a lrm 10. So, the ppc would be assigned to weapon slot 1 and the lrm would be assigned to weapon slot 1. (confusing I know but remember that this is slot one in the arm and slot one in the torso).

For some reason this assignment stays with the weapons. This would explain why selling and buying them would work because then the weapon slot assignment isn't on the new weapon.

I don't know how accurate this is since it was a theory posited by another player and not something put forth by the devs.

[evilC]

As a programmer, I think I can see what is going on here.

All pieces of equipment have a unique ID.
A piece of equipment's ID is sequentially assigned, in order of creation (it is created when you buy it).
When you drop in a mech, it loads the pieces of equipment in order of ID.

Therefore, if you have a stack of existing missiles, you have no idea of what their ID is - by selling all the missiles in your inventory, you are able to ensure the IDs of each of the items are in a specific order.

If further info can be gleaned, tricks could probably be worked out that do not involve the selling of all your missiles.
For example, it may well be the case that when you drag an item from the inventory to your mech, it grabs the item in order of ID. If that is the case, then by putting missiles on any old mech, you could work your way through the pile, to the "older" items below.

Edited by evilC, 18 December 2013 - 04:47 PM.

[evilC]

I just did some testing and I think I am correct.

You do not need to sell all your missiles, if you can store missiles on your mechs, you can juggle things around.

If you have a bunch of items in your inventory, and drag one off to place on your mech, it picks the newest item.
So what you have to do is play a sort of card game.

Think of items in your inventory (not on a mech) as a stack of cards. If you take an item off a mech, it places it into the deck.
If you take an item from the deck, you get the newest item.

So lets say you need to make an SRM load before an LRM.
You need a card from near the bottom of the SRM deck, and one from near the top of the LRM deck.

So take a bunch of your SRMs (The item that you want an "old" copy of) and pull them off your mechs, especially ones you built a long time ago.
Then start putting the SRMs on any old mech until you have one left. This is your oldest SRM.

Hopefully, you now have the top SRM card older than the top LRM card.

That's my theory anyway, I did some tests and it seemed to verify that each specific item had an order that it would follow regardless of the order that you drop them onto the mech.
For example, I have the same issue with a QKD-4H, with a 10,5 tube config that I wanted to load SRM6 and 4 into. It would work fine with 1xSRM6, but as soon as I added the SRM4, it would load into the 10 tube and put the SRM6 into the 5 tube.

Using the "card stack" technique above, I found my oldest SRM6, then left the SRM4s alone.
Using the SRM6, it always loads before any of the newer SRM4s, but will load in after the SRM4 at the bottom of my SRM4 stack.

Edited by evilC, 30 December 2013 - 05:39 AM.

[Asmosis]

BrassyJack, on 18 December 2013 - 05:29 AM, said:

Read my post directly above yours. I detailed how I fixed this with the Griffin.

still doesn't do anything other than display them differently. they're still in the same hardpoint locations when it comes to firing stuff.

[Durant Carlyle]

Asmosis, on 19 December 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

still doesn't do anything other than display them differently. they're still in the same hardpoint locations when it comes to firing stuff.

This is true when you launch all missiles at once. However, I have noticed in the Griffin-3M (the one with four launchers in the right torso) that I can fire them in chain-fire mode and they will have slightly altered launch points. I can tell that the lower in the list, the lower the launch point is. In 'Mechs that have multiple launchers, you can tell that same thing. It's more difficult to tell in 'Mechs that have launchers on both sides, like the Catapult.

The order also matters for energy weapons.

[Kohiro]

evilC, on 18 December 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

I just did some testing and I think I am correct. You do not need to sell all your missiles, if you can store missiles on your mechs, you can juggle things around. If you have a bunch of items in your inventory, and drag one off to place on your mech, it picks the newest item. So what you have to do is play a sort of card game. Think of items in your inventory (not on a mech) as a stack of cards. If you take an item off a mech, it places it into the deck. If you take an item from the deck, you get the newest item. So lets say you need to make an SRM load before an LRM. You need a card from near the bottom of the SRM deck, and one from near the top of the LRM deck. So take a bunch of your SRMs (The item that you want an "old" copy of) and pull them off your mechs, especially ones you built a long time ago. Then start putting the SRMs on any old mech until you have one left. This is your oldest SRM. Hopefully, you now have the top SRM card older than the top LRM card. That's my theory anyway, I did some tests and it seemed to verify that each specific item had an order that it would follow regardless of the order that you drop them onto the mech. For example, I have the same issue with a HBK-4H, with a 10,5 tube config that I wanted to load SRM6 and 4 into. It would work fine with 1xSRM6, but as soon as I added the SRM4, it would load into the 10 tube and put the SRM6 into the 5 tube. Using the "card stack" technique above, I found my oldest SRM6, then left the SRM4s alone. Using the SRM6, it always loads before any of the newer SRM4s, but will load in after the SRM4 at the bottom of my SRM4 stack.

You are correct. I just try it out on my 3M and it works.

[evilC]

Corrected my post above, had the issue with a QKD-4H, not the HBK-4H.

Thanks for confirming Kohiro, I was thinking that if I am correct here, we need to get this info out there. If one or two more people could confirm, I reckon my technique is worth a new post in the workarounds forum.