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[Blood Rose]

I have been looking through some other threads and a question has arisen.

Many people seem to believe that the reseen Marauder is a heap of scrap. Infact many seem to believe that it is a terrible design and should never have been thought up.
Now, i actually like the reseen design better than the original Macross version. I like the new look and to me it looks far more like the MAD should, large and heavy with weapon pod arms and a cannon actually in the right torso, rather than on a piddly pintle stick mount atop the centre torso.

So, am in a minority here? Or is it just some biased threads that i have been reading?

(PS-i also love the Urbanmech too)

[CyclonerM]

Blood Rose, on 30 December 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

So, am in a minority here?

Sorry, you are

[Alaskan Nobody]

Blood Rose, on 30 December 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

So, am in a minority here? Or is it just some biased threads that i have been reading?

(PS-i also love the Urbanmech too)

Near as I can tell the opinions on the Marauders are split pretty near 50-50.
As for the Urbie.... I would dare all detractors to go equal BV Urbies vs Timberwolves.

And I would take the Urbies.

[ssm]

Blood Rose, on 30 December 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

So, am in a minority here? Or is it just some biased threads that i have been reading?

Well, BT community is somewhat specific in it's aesthetic preferences, but in this being in a minority is a good guess. Unseen Marauder artwork is bad (at least for BT - it's pretty cool as gigantic alien battlepod), but generally respected for emotional/nostaligic reasons.

I, for one, hate it.

As for Reseen - it's good looking mech (at least it looks plausible as combat vehicle), but looks pretty lackluster compared to some of the extremely good redesigns floating around (Like Shimmering Sword's one)

[Dakkaface]

I like the Unseen design in isolation, but SSRM does have a point - aside from the Champion and some other SL era designs, most of the old mechs are boxy as hell, and the old Marauder doesn't fit into that aesthetic.

That said the Reseen is pretty damn ugly. It's spindly as hell and doesn't have any of the mass of the old MAD. And when we have redesigns like Shimmering Sword's that nail it so well, it's pretty disappointing.

[juxstapo]

Eh, dig the Reseen personally. Doesn't fit the original design so to speak, but slots into the story just fine.

[Blood Rose]

Well good to know im not the only one whom likes it

[Stormwolf]

I actually like both the unseen and reseen Marauder. Though Shimmering Sword's redesign is nothing short of spectacular:
http://www.sarna.net...rs_Volume_1.jpg

I actually think that many of the reseen are actually better then the originals, just take the Ost-series mechs:

Ostscout:
http://www.sarna.net...le:Ostscout.jpg
http://www.sarna.net...PP_Ostscout.jpg

Ostroc:
http://www.sarna.net...File:Ostroc.jpg
http://www.sarna.net...r-3c_ostroc.png

Ostsol:
http://www.sarna.net...:3025ostsol.jpg
http://www.sarna.net...l-7m_ostsol.png

[Elyam]

The very original Macross design is a bit too round and spindly, such as the original art seen on the original BT 3025 TRO cover:http://www.sarna.net...Front_Cover.jpg

The very next generation of adaptations for BT (which would culminate one generation later in the epic design for the 100-ton Marauder II) were always better, such as the drawing for the Marauder from the inside page of the same original 3025 TRO: http://www.sarna.net...25_marauder.jpg

I do believe Shimmering Sword's design is best for use in BT today and could possibly pass any legal tests necessary for inclusion into MWO. In fact, I suspect the recently-mentioned talk of a 'controversial design' might actually be the coming of this Marauder to fill another 75-ton slot.

Edited by Elyam, 31 December 2013 - 11:29 AM.

[Surtr]

I think most of the Unseen are awful looking. Battletech moved away from the Japanese influenced art style long ago, and I think it was the best decision they ever made. The only Reseen I don't like is the Warhammer (specifically IWM rendition of it) as the PPC's in the arms are way too gigantic and awkward. The 80's can keep their spindly mechs and giant-haired cover art.

[Durant Carlyle]

I liked the original design. Not as a BattleMech, but as a combat vehicle in general.

I like the Project Phoenix redesigns the best, as they actually does a good job of melding the tall, skinny-leg look of the original along with a look that matches the stats (cannon in right torso and looks matching the different weapons arrays).

A lot of the redesigns done by other artists are fatazzes. The original was not fat in any way, and the official PP redesign stays with the same theme. A heavy 'Mech doesn't have to be a fatazz, especially if the weapons are what actually makes it heavy. And the MAD 's biggest weight percentage is weapons, with some models being nearly 50% of the total tonnage.

Elyam, on 31 December 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

I suspect the recently-mentioned talk of a 'controversial design' might actually be the coming of this Marauder to fill another 75-ton slot.

The "controversial design" coming soon is a light 'Mech, not a heavy.

Edited by Durant Carlyle, 31 December 2013 - 12:33 PM.

[HammerMaster]

Yes. The banned art is sublime. The new art makes me sick. There are some good attempts but the reseen TRO art is wretched.

[Elyam]

Is that confirmed it's a light? Not sure why I didn't catch that. Thanks Durant.

[Sentinel373]

I am not a fan of the original marauder, for me it is too spindely, and the legs make it look like it can only stand and walk with the use of space magic. I don't like the cataphractified reseen version either. It strays way to much frommthe original design to be considered a marauder imo.

I am however a big fan of shimmering sword's version to me that is the perfect version of the marauder it looks like a mean combat vehicle, with realistic proportions. It looks enoegh like the original to carry the name. I liked it so much i even made a miniature of it.
http://imageshack.us...4/2669/seza.jpg

[Durant Carlyle]

Elyam, on 31 December 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

Is that confirmed it's a light? Not sure why I didn't catch that. Thanks Durant.

That's the last info I had on it. Of course, that was from early November and they could have been talking about the Oxide. The clues were:

1. Humanoid
2. Controversial
3. Specialty 'Mech

If you were talking about some other mention of a controversial 'Mech, I don't know about that.

Edited by Durant Carlyle, 31 December 2013 - 09:51 PM.

[LiGhtningFF13]

Marauder, even the name is far better than the design. This thing don't even deserve this name.

[GumbyC2C]

the 3025 Marauder that I grew up with was not a good mech. I like the (stolen) design of it but for gameplay its just not good. It's main weapons are two PPCs. It has 16 heat sinks. That is not a good combination in TT BT. Get in close and watch it suffer since the AC/5 also has a minimum range. In that tonnage range I would take a Grasshopper or an Orion over it every day and a Thunderbolt will tear it a new one.

[Elyam]

Marauder original primary config wasn't meant to get caught alone in close with something maneuverable and close-loaded like the Grasshopper. It's role is long-range direct shock, especially when used in lances with Warhammers. Yes, heat limits meant it could only use both PPCs 1/2 of the time. Even with the heat and close handicaps, a good pilot could still take it into nearly any fight.

Anyone playing with the full rules system with a MechWarrior RPG character would change the loadout as soon as the resources could be earned and acquired to do so, often dropping the PPCs to LLAS and adding 4 HS or removing the AC and using that 9 tons for a variety of things. The eventual return of DHS, of course, vastly helped it. Alternatively, a character had decent opportunity for an acquired Marauder to already be a modified version. So many existed and enough of those had historically been modified.

Edited by Elyam, 01 January 2014 - 09:02 AM.

[CyclonerM]

The Reseen Marauder is not totally bad.. But it is NOT a Marauder! Yes the old one was round and maybe too much {Capellan}-style.
But in my mind THIS is a Marauder.

Actually as you can see with the reseen Project Phoenix 'Mechs new designs can still have quite the old feeling.

Possible Marauder..

[Pht]

The re-seen marauders weren't just hit with the ugly stick.

They had the genetics of the ugly-tree spliced into them before their artistic frankenstinean birth.

It looks like it got it's face rammed into a wall:



Cycloner: decent marauder lines. Of course, that means that disharmony lawsuit-gold would sue the pants off of anyone for using it.