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[GRiPSViGiL]

So I have noticed some major dividend's on my GRF-3M using 1 x ERPPC and 4 x SSRMs without BAP. However, I have some questions that maybe other's might know or have seen answers to. Please cite any MWO forum posts if that is where you have seen the answers.

My theory was to save the ton and half and use my PPC to disable ECM long enough for me to get one or two volley's of SSRMs off and it really worked great. Especially on the easy to hit DDCs. Managing the heat is easy enough since the Heat efficiency on the build is 1.49.

I saw people on MWO claim PPCs will still disable ECM for 5 seconds within 90m on the forums....is this true?

Now here is the trick question that came to me:

Do PPCs disable the ECM protection from a Mech under the umbrella when hit? Seeing how ECM mechs are target priority for the most part this might be a non factor. Does disabling the ECM mech drop the umbrella from all the mechs under it for 5 seconds as well. My common sense tells me that a PPC should not disable ECM protection from a mech under the umbrella and that hitting the ECM mech itself with a PPC should drop protection for every mech under it as well.

I would rather be told than test it since I am lazy.

Are there people that would say using a PPC instead of BAP is a good alternative?

My reason's for doing so:

-I can hit lights with pinpoint PPCs reliably.
-I get a long range weapon with solid pinpoint damage.
-I prefer to use that ton and half saved as a DHS, Jump Jets/ or armor.

The build

Edited by GRiPSViGiL, 24 December 2013 - 08:01 PM.

[Lyoto Machida]

Is this a trick question? Why not use BAP, save 7 tons and generate no heat instead?

[Deathlike]

Either PPC or ERPPC will disable ECM, despite the fact that the PPC deals 0 damage to the target under 90m.

[Biglead]

Pop the ECM carrier and the whole group gets caught with their pants down.

[Lyoto Machida]

He's asking why he should take a PPC over BAP, not if a PPC will disable ECM for his SSRMs.

[Deathlike]

Here's a way of looking at it.

If your primary goal is to use SSRMs, then you will want to use BAP in the event that the PPC is shot off.

It makes a whole lot more sense to use BAP if you're boating SSRMs (3 or more is enough to justify BAP, minimum of 2 IMO).

Additionally, BAP's counter range is reasonable enough to reduce the effectiveness of AMS...

Also, I used to use a pair of PPCs (though it was a pair of ERPPCs) when they first added the ECM disabling property (HSR had not been added yet for projectiles) so I could use Streaks. You have more time to react with BAP though because of the fast engine (the slower you are, the less effective BAP would be in the first place - of course, this is irrelevant vs the Atlas D-DC).

It's something to think about. Boating Streaks with BAP makes more sense than relying on the PPC to counter ECM.

Edited by Deathlike, 25 December 2013 - 04:36 PM.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Lyoto Machida, on 25 December 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

Is this a trick question? Why not use BAP, save 7 tons and generate no heat instead?

Since I built my build this way I don't have heat issues that cripple me. I can hit lights just fine so ill take the 10 points of pinpoint damage that then allows 1 to 2 volleys of SRMs to hit. It always sends the light hit scurrying away.

I guess it works for me since I can hit what I aim at.

Biglead, on 25 December 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

Pop the ECM carrier and the whole group gets caught with their pants down.

Is this confirmed?

[Deathlike]

GRiPSViGiL, on 25 December 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

Is this confirmed?

Yes, and yet no.

Yes, because the temporary removal of cloak reveals them to your teammates... if only briefly.

No if there's more ECM backup. Having more ECM makes it difficult to counter the effects of ECM removal of one target.

[Biglead]

@grips. Yes it is, last night I was leveling my WLV 7k running an ERPPC, PPC and tag. It's a horrible build, but it allows me to massacre the spotting/tag bonuses to "power level" the mech due to the constant breaking of umbrella.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Biglead, on 25 December 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

@grips. Yes it is, last night I was leveling my WLV 7k running an ERPPC, PPC and tag. It's a horrible build, but it allows me to massacre the spotting/tag bonuses to "power level" the mech due to the constant breaking of umbrella.

Actually aside from TAG that is my GRF-1N build and it has done nicely.

[Biglead]

GRiPSViGiL, on 25 December 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

Actually aside from TAG that is my GRF-1N build and it has done nicely.

Yeah what I meant to say was "I'm a horrible pilot", but it's just easier to blame the mech.

[Adrienne Vorton]

GRiPSViGiL, on 24 December 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

I saw people on MWO claim PPCs will still disable ECM for 5 seconds within 90m on the forums....is this true?

yes

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Do PPCs disable the ECM protection from a Mech under the umbrella when hit?

no...

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Does disabling the ECM mech drop the umbrella from all the mechs under it for 5 seconds as well.

yes

the EMP field of a PPC disables the ECM device , not making a mech "immune" to an ecm field xD

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 26 December 2013 - 03:57 AM.