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[Midnight Camel]

I am interested in running a Cent with an LBX but I'm not familiar enough with the hitboxes on the chassis to know if using an XL with a mid to close range mech is viable. Any insight is appreciated.

[John MatriX82]

Cents are good as zombies, so we're speaking of STD engines; the hitboxes are rather thin, so when they blow up an arm, the arm hitbox will transfer only 50% dmg to the near side torso; if that torso is blown as well, then any dmg taken from the sides basically is reduced to 25% to the CT, making centurions to be extremely sturdy to blow up!

If you go XL then you lose this factor, although both arms (until are up) can absorb several damage. I'd reccomend to avoid xl engines in anything that isn't a Cent D, the latter can run pretty beefy Xls that can justify the fragility with the extra speed.

So on cent A and Als try to go STD, 270/275 are enough, the first is much better @ 3xASRM6 that is much more dangerous and worthier than any LBX; even an AL with dual ASRM6 competes to the LBX10 imho.

Edited by John MatriX82, 11 October 2013 - 04:27 AM.

[PenitentTangent]

Don't run an XL in a cent ever. The centurion has few advantages over other mediums. One of the few is it's zombie design. The CT is really small and side torsos are large. Once your sides are gone, Any damage that hits side torsos is halved and transferred to CT. The cent's survive ability is off the charts with a standard engine.

[Kazma]

Centurion has a pretty good hitbox, a STD centurion is pretty often used because the CT is so small.
The Arms are the biggest part of its hitbox and you can still use your left arm as a shield (it actually is a shield) so its pretty much a viable mech with and without XL.
I'm running this build with LB10+XL Engine
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f53e48af3c41e3b

or with SRM's and STD engine and no weapons on both arms (Zombie CNT)
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d436ae3d73bf786

Edited by Kazma, 11 October 2013 - 04:27 AM.

[Sparks Murphey]

I've found that if you keep it fast, an XL Centurion can be viable. The argument about Centurions being zombies is a strong one, but if you're playing one with a ballistic weapon as your primary gun, you'll probably find yourself defanged before the engine goes with or without the XL. The side torsos attract more damage than the CT, but the arms attract even more, and that ballistic mount comes off quick. Avoiding the damage in the first place and skirmishing rather than brawling can serve ballistic Cents better than the ruggedness of a standard engine. Keep it fast, don't expose it to too much damage, take what damage you can on the left arm, and you should find it a rewarding experience.

[TercieI]

I just leveled Cents. My experience was that the A & AL were better as short-range zombies (the AL still benefits from a couple ML in the gun arm, but no crisis losing that much gun weight either). Arm guns just get blown off too fast by decent players. The D, OTOH, can have its speed kicked up high enough to make arm weapons viable. Didn't buy a Wang for a number of reasons, so no comment there.

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[MadKobold]

Same as Terciel, A & AL can't mount big enough engines to justify the big survivability hit of using an XL. The D however is a beast with the XL.

This is my current D build.

If you want to go faster you can drop the MPL for ML and kick the engine up to a 320 or 325. A mech that can circle and brawl like a scout and have the firepower of a medium is scary. As long as you do alot of twisting to spread the damage, even with an XL this thing has amazing survivability.

The Wang is amazing, it's basically an A that can mount an AC20

Edited by MadKobold, 11 October 2013 - 06:02 AM.

[TyrEol]

MadKobold, on 11 October 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

This is my current D build.

Thanks for sharing that build, it looks awesome fun, I've seen/spectated someone (may even have been yourself) running around with what I remember being something very similar and it looked a lot of fun.

When I have the CBills to spare probably in a month after pheonix mechs have been upgraded and mastered I'd love to get myself a Cent-D to complete my set.

[Thoummim]

I love ballistic centurion but strongly I disagree with player stating that XL cent is good with ballistic arm.

For four reason :

-The centurion is a big target, if I have no problem hitting a light at 150km/h hitting a centurion at 126km/h is easy mode. And 81~89km/h is more than enough to reposition quickly even on large map. The extra speed is not worth the insane durability loss.
-If you loose your right arm before your left side torso you're doing it wrong. Having two shield is better than one shield + more damage reduction to vital part = you can tank easily two alpha from a brawler atlas. Those two 74 alpha could have been directed at your friendly atlas wrecking his armor but no they have been wasted on you and you still have 100% firepower. Be a team player protect the atlas.
-Many player can target the side of the cent accurately. A good cent player can avoid side destruction first that most of the time, but bad luck or better players are never far.
-You wont believe how much you can do with two medium laser, its enough scratch the back of an assault so they are distracted while your allies (the real threat) can murder him without resistance. Remember kid as long as you're alive you're a threat that need to be dealt with.

Edited by Thoummim, 11 October 2013 - 05:50 AM.

[MadKobold]

TyrEol, on 11 October 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

Thanks for sharing that build, it looks awesome fun, I've seen/spectated someone (may even have been yourself) running around with what I remember being something very similar and it looked a lot of fun.

When I have the CBills to spare probably in a month after pheonix mechs have been upgraded and mastered I'd love to get myself a Cent-D to complete my set.

I'm glad you like it, just remember to twist like a **** to spread that damage around and don't let the torso armor get breached. also don't be a dummy and load srm ammo like i did on the smurfys, lol. (i've corrected it)

[Sh4dow78]

John MatriX82, on 11 October 2013 - 04:25 AM, said:

Cents are good as zombies, so we're speaking of STD engines; the hitboxes are rather thin, so when they blow up an arm, the arm hitbox will transfer only 50% dmg to the near side torso; if that torso is blown as well, then any dmg taken from the sides basically is reduced to 25% to the CT, making centurions to be extremely sturdy to blow up!

and thats why every time i see cent i hit his damn leg.... u can waste 5min to try kill him with CT shoots but once he loose his leg he die in 5 sec...

also as for topic YES they are good zombie but playing with XL is also possible and quite fun i tried with streaks 2ml and LBX with 250XL. I say its pretty nice to play but u can overextend as much as with STD engine.

try this: CN9-A with XL i found it to be pretty efective for light hunting, and after last LBX buff just seek for those open CT and make them suffer

[Jon Gotham]

In my experience, I run an xl in 2 of mine. I found that the time where I die, I would have died anyway with a standard engine. The weight you give up with a standard puts me off a bit.
I run a 3 streak,LBX and 2 medium laser combo on my A. On a bad game I get 300-ish damage. An average game around 4-500 on a great game over 700.
In MWO now, you will be hit by such massive alpha strikes from all the heavies/assaults you will usually be dead anyway-no matter what engine you run.
With an XL though...you do need discipline (this is key) on how and when you engage, and make sure you use that left arm smartly. My XL cents are still WAY tougher than my Kintaros ever were. But the pay off is I can mount heavier firepower.

[SirSlaughter]

I always run XL CN9s. Smart people will leg you anyway STD engine or not

[Alistair Winter]

Only two of my Cents have an XL engine. My Yen Lo Wang with an XL280. And my CN9-D with an XL380. 135 kph. Whaddup?

[sneeking]

yep, 350xl in my 9-d hasn't had much effect on its durability ( other than it moves over 120kph after speed tweek ) lol

dont overlook the wang though it can have four module slots once mastered but its restricted to 300xl

[C E Dwyer]

BrassyJack, on 11 October 2013 - 04:15 AM, said:

I am interested in running a Cent with an LBX but I'm not familiar enough with the hitboxes on the chassis to know if using an XL with a mid to close range mech is viable. Any insight is appreciated.

yes it is

[FearNotDeath]

I normally ran standards in my cents till I saw a post about using an xl300 in a yen lo wang tried it and got a 1100+ dmg game yeah it's definitely viable. Not sure about the lbx though but if it's a wep you enjoy and you have the skill anything can be viable. These things twist like chubby checker and spreading out damage is a breeze.

[Victor Morson]

Short answer: Nope.

Long answer: Arm guns on the Centurion are a liability, and it's reknown for it's Standard engine builds. Outside of the 9D, stay STD.

FearNotDeath, on 14 December 2013 - 03:58 AM, said:

I normally ran standards in my cents till I saw a post about using an xl300 in a yen lo wang tried it and got a 1100+ dmg game yeah it's definitely viable.

Not in any game I've been in because YLWs are about as easy to neuter as a kitten.

[FearNotDeath]

Victor Morson, on 14 December 2013 - 04:34 AM, said:

Short answer: Nope.

Long answer: Arm guns on the Centurion are a liability, and it's reknown for it's Standard engine builds. Outside of the 9D, stay STD.



Not in any game I've been in because YLWs are about as easy to neuter as a kitten.

Well they did ask viable not optimal. Guess we'll have to wait to for 1vs1 to see how easy it really is.

[Buckminster]

A lot of it also depends on what you are looking for in a mech. As a dedicated PUGger, I have the luxury of running builds that are fun. If you are in an uber-serious 12 man looking to do league play, it may not be viable.