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#1 FriarShaggy

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:43 AM

Ok i understand that skills help you. I have 3 commando's all elite skills. This is where i get *huh what* at.

I thought mistakenly perhaps that i needed 3 of 1 mech to get master skill. Now in a different area its three of that weight class ie lights/meds/hvy's/assults....

So huh?

Now Questions.

1. Which is it? 3 of same mech or 3 of class?

2. Do i take 1 commando to master or all 3?

3. If i master 1 or 3 do i master all lights/class? ie i'll have master level skills in say a jenner?



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#2 FriarShaggy

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:56 AM

Umm i have 3 commando's all at elite. Or rephrase maxed out elite skills.

Edited by FriarShaggy, 06 January 2014 - 05:57 AM.


#3 Bhelogan

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:03 AM

Now, if you go for another light chassis, say ravens next, things will be different, since you have your Commandos mastered. Say you only want to keep the 3L. You would still need to do basics on 3 variants of ravens, but after you finish elites on the 3L, you will have master unlocked (since you have 3 commandos mastered, this part goes by weight class). You will not have to go through elites on the other 2 variants if you don't' want to.

Edited by Bhelogan, 06 January 2014 - 06:04 AM.


#4 Konril

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:09 AM

The two relevant rules:

1. You need all the basics of 3 variants of the same chassis to unlock elite.
2. You need all the elite of 3 variants of the same weight class to unlock master.

Usually unsaid but still important:

3: The mech itself needs all basics to unlock elite, and all elites to unlock mastery.

Normally, to get your first elite you need to get 3 variants of the same chassis through the basics. That will unlock 'elite' for all three of those variants. So the most economical way to get to your first mastery is to unlock all four elite efficiencies of those same mechs. You would only need to buy three mechs to get the mastery, and would get the mastery of those three mechs at the same time. It is possible to earn your mastery with different mechs in the same weight class, but it gets more expensive. For example you could get to elite with a Commando, Spider, and Raven and then use those three get your first mastery. But you would need to buy 3 Commandos, 3 Spiders, and 3 Ravens and go through the basics of all 9 of those mechs to get the 3 elites you eventually master.

However, regardless of how you unlocked your first mastery, mastery gets unlocked for the whole weight class. So, if you achieved mastery with the Commandos and decided you want a Jenner, you would still need take 3 Jenners through the basics to unlock elite, but your mastery of other mechs in the weight class means that you could then sell and never touch two of those Jenners again without throwing away your opportunity to master it. The first Jenner with all four elites will "master" automatically since you unlocked mastery with the Commandos.

Does that make sense, or is it still confusing?

#5 Turist0AT

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:13 AM

Guys are better at explain than me :wub:

#6 FriarShaggy

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:45 AM

So if i understand correctly. 1 commando at mastery unlocks mastery for class. With the understanding if i want any others besides commando's i'll need to buy 3 say spiders and get'em to elite and they will be **mastered**

Friar.

Ps Turist :wub:

#7 Bhelogan

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:50 AM

View PostFriarShaggy, on 06 January 2014 - 06:45 AM, said:

So if i understand correctly. 1 commando at mastery unlocks mastery for class. With the understanding if i want any others besides commando's i'll need to buy 3 say spiders and get'em to elite and they will be **mastered**

Friar.

Ps Turist :wub:

No, on the first part. You need to have master unlocked on 3 commandos first. Finishing elites, on 3 variants of mechs in a weight class will make master available to those mechs that have elites finished only. now, having the mech mastered does not mean that you have unlocked the extra module slot. Only that you have the ability to unlock it once you have enough exp.

View PostKonril, on 06 January 2014 - 06:09 AM, said:

The two relevant rules:

1. You need all the basics of 3 variants of the same chassis to unlock elite.
2. You need all the elite of 3 variants of the same weight class to unlock master.

Usually unsaid but still important:

3: The mech itself needs all basics to unlock elite, and all elites to unlock mastery.


This

Edited by Bhelogan, 06 January 2014 - 06:52 AM.


#8 MnDragon

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:50 AM

View PostFriarShaggy, on 06 January 2014 - 06:45 AM, said:

So if i understand correctly. 1 commando at mastery unlocks mastery for class. With the understanding if i want any others besides commando's i'll need to buy 3 say spiders and get'em to elite and they will be **mastered**

Friar.

Ps Turist :wub:


No, 3 commando's with mastery unlocked (all elites completed) unlocks mastery for all other mechs of the same weight class. Once you have a chassis ready for mastery, you can do the same for all other chassis of the same weight class.

#9 FriarShaggy

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:55 AM

Ok, i have mastery unlocked on all 3 commando's. I need to grind to get the mastery skill done which unlocks the module. Whiich i think i need to buy.

Now heres where i'm confused.....Do i take just 1 commando to mastery or all 3 to unlock the ability for the other lights?

#10 Bhelogan

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 07:08 AM

View PostFriarShaggy, on 06 January 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:

Ok, i have mastery unlocked on all 3 commando's. I need to grind to get the mastery skill done which unlocks the module. Whiich i think i need to buy.

Now heres where i'm confused.....Do i take just 1 commando to mastery or all 3 to unlock the ability for the other lights?

If you have finished elites on all 3 commandos, then they are mastered. You don't have to unlock the master module slot. Doing so will only allow you to equip one extra module on that specific chassis. You do have to buy modules, and some have to be unlocked via GXP in the pilot tree, but you can remove them from mechs and swap them around. Some are consumable, so will be gone after one use.

#11 Koniving

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 07:11 AM

Okay... Uh, even reading this I got confused.

*Sighs and takes a deep breath.*

First let's define some things.

Mech = battlemech, can be anything from the Harvester Ant Posted Image
to the Goliath
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Class = short for weight classification. It is also called "Category."

Refers to Light, Medium, Heavy, Assault.

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Chassis = Refers to the line of Battlemech.

For example the Hunchback chassis developed primarily by the Komiyaba/Nissan General Industries manufacturing company. Or the Atlas for which certain variants are produced entirely by Yori 'Mech Works, Defiance Industries, Independence Weaponry, and Robinson Standard BattleWorks.

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Variant = If you think of cars, then the Chassis is the model (Hunchback) and the Variant is the year and extras packed in (4SP).

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And here it is altogether.
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Now, let's give the solid answer in one location:
  • To get elite, you must have 3 Variants of the same Chassis brought up to complete the Basics. They must be of the same chassis, but cannot be the same variant (or another version of the same variant; i.e. champion and regular, Sarah's mech, and Package specific versions with their regular versions do not count.)
  • To get master, you only need 3 elites of the same Class. They do not have to be the same chassis.
I hope that clears everything up.

Edited by Koniving, 06 January 2014 - 07:27 AM.


#12 FriarShaggy

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 07:12 AM

ok that makes more sense so i can sell two of of them and go work on other mechs :wub:

Friar.

#13 Redshift2k5

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 07:18 AM

In short;

If you have 3 commandos you need basic on all three to unlock elite; you need elite completed on all three to unlock master.

If you buy 3 spiders, you need to complete basic for all three to unlock elite; you will only need to complete elite on one mech to reach master, because you already fulfilled the requirement for 3 fully elited mechs in this weight class.

You can also mix any 3 fully elited mechs in the same weight class... But you always need 3 of each basis to complete the basics for that chassis to get any further

#14 TercieI

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 09:11 AM

It's a great intro to the game and a great easing of future chassis leveling to start with one mech of each class and take three variants through elite on each of those four mechs. That also means that a real consideration for "beginner mechs" should be having three+ good variants. (i.e. the Jenner is a great starter light, the Raven is less so, etc.)

#15 Buckminster

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 09:18 AM

I think part of the confusion is people's use of terminology. Once you've unlocked all 4 of the Elite skills, I refer to that as "Elited", because I'm done Elite. I think some other people refer to it as "Mastered", because Master skills are now available. Which can be real confusing when someone says "you need to master three mechs of a weight class".

And props to Kon, for the over the top thorough answer. :wub:

#16 Napoleon_Blownapart

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 10:28 AM

they are changing pilot skills,so this might all change.

#17 Orbit Rain

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 10:29 AM

Agree with the terminology confusion Buck, I consider truly "mastered" to be way beyond the XP needed to unlock the module slot on a mech fwiw...that being said..."mastered" in my mind, and how most I know refer to it, refers to unlocking the module slot on a mech. "Elited" means the elite proficiencies are done, but extra module has yet to be unlocked. How I describe it:

Initially, you need to take three variants of a chassis, and finish elites, to unlock the module grind for each variant...Subsequent chassis of the same weight class, just need to have three variants basic'd, to unlock the elite tree all the way through the master grind. Essentially, you no longer need to take two variants you may or may not like *through* the elite grind, to master out the variant you do like, to get that variant the extra module slot.

#18 Alaskan Nobody

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 11:26 AM

View PostTurist0AT, on 06 January 2014 - 06:13 AM, said:

Guys are better at explain than me :wub:


You are not alone. :D

#19 Bhelogan

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 11:44 AM

View PostGorantir, on 06 January 2014 - 10:28 AM, said:

they are changing pilot skills,so this might all change.

Pilot tree and Mech trees are not the same thing. Granted the command post bout this is a little vague to have any real clue what they are planning to implement.
http://mwomercs.com/...ls-and-modules/

Edited by Bhelogan, 06 January 2014 - 11:46 AM.


#20 Void Angel

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 11:44 AM

Edit: Bah, how did I miss the whole second page of this threat?

Edited by Void Angel, 06 January 2014 - 11:51 AM.






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