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[mikkoand]

I've never found any abusive behavior like cheating to be a great problem in MWO before, but yesterday evening was something close to being problematic. I've seen this kind of behavior before, but this time I got it on video and took screenshots of it.

Cheaters can disable ECM without having a countering ECM themselves or using a PPC. Have anyone else seen this before? Can anyone explain this in other ways, I'd like to hear it?

Here is the video of the game. The video will end to my mech destruction. At the very end I tried looking around for any countering opposition ECM mechs while running away these two opposing mechs (Player IDs: Heersteller and Ismael) that were heavily depending on their targetting system, which obviously the ECM should disable. In the video, I don't see me getting hit by a PPC or other ECM players but me. The time of the video is forwarded to the point where the claimed ECM cheat is just about to happen.

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The screenshot is from the final scoreboard. I don't see any opposing ECM mechs in the list, do you?
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Edited by Destined, 09 January 2014 - 09:15 AM.
Removed links to Player names :)

[seija]

That SHD-2D2 is running SSRMS which means he is running BAP which counters ECM withing 150M

[mikkoand]

Oh is that so... I did not know that. If you are correct, I am sorry for the invalid cheat claim. I just suck at the game then

Edited by mikkoand, 08 January 2014 - 11:15 PM.

[Mechteric]

Not your fault really, there's kindof a lack of a proper introduction to all of this in-game for new players

[DONTOR]

Yep BAP, also TAG can negate yor ECM aswell.

[AlmightyAeng]

mikkoand, on 08 January 2014 - 11:15 PM, said:

Oh is that so... I did not know that. If you are correct, I am sorry for the invalid cheat claim. I just suck at the game then

OP: Grrr, anger, rage cheating!
Forums: This is what actually happened.
OP: Oh, cool, my bad, thanks for explaining!

+1 to OP.

[Sandpit]

I was soooooooooooooooooooooo ready to pounce on this but OP repented his ways lol

mikkoand I'd really recommend you check out some of the teamspeak servers. Even if you don't want to join a group or anything, just drop a few times with other players and ask for advice and tips even just basic information like this is much easier to obtain there. PGI is horrid at making this kind of info readily and easily available to new players unfortunately

[Suko]

CapperDeluxe, on 09 January 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

Not your fault really, there's kindof a lack of a proper introduction to all of this in-game for new players

But how about that Movement tutorial, eh!?

[Roland]

CapperDeluxe, on 09 January 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

Not your fault really, there's kindof a lack of a proper introduction to all of this in-game for new players

Yeah, there's really nothing in the actual game itself which explains 90% of the mechanics.

[Biglead]

CapperDeluxe, on 09 January 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

Not your fault really, there's kindof a lack of a proper introduction to all of this in-game for new players

Much this.

[Skyfaller]

Problem is, BAP should only allow the mech targeting the ECM to target/lock it...it should not share the info to team (ECM still jams his feed to his team).

The only things that should allow target sharing of an ECM mech is TAG when used outside the ECM jam field, an ECCM or a UAV's ECCM.

[OneEyed Jack]

Skyfaller, on 09 January 2014 - 03:02 PM, said:

Problem is, BAP should only allow the mech targeting the ECM to target/lock it...it should not share the info to team (ECM still jams his feed to his team).

The only things that should allow target sharing of an ECM mech is TAG when used outside the ECM jam field, an ECCM or a UAV's ECCM.

Pssst.. don't tell anyone, but in MWO BAP is ECCM.

[Suko]

At the risk of turning this thread toxic, I do wish PGI had a "Level 1 Tech" or at least "No ECM" mode that newbies could play in. I've had a few people try to get into this game and when ECM shows up they don't know what the f*ck is happening to them or how to work around it. I then take 5 minutes to explain all the nuances of how it affects them and how they can counter it, but by then they're dead and their attention span has gone elsewhere. Having the ability to just play the game without such a wonky and complex mechanic would be reeeeeeally nice for newbies, don't ya think?

Also; Sandpit, did you kill Roadbear and are now posting twice as much to cover the ranting that would usually come from the both of ya?

Edited by ShadowVFX, 09 January 2014 - 05:14 PM.

[Noesis]

OneEyed Jack, on 09 January 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

Pssst.. don't tell anyone, but in MWO BAP is ECCM.

It is in TT at close range for detection purposes as it improves modifiers on the stealth table. Check page 225 of the tactical operations manual also that demonstrates this with some examples.

BAP also helps to reduce the effectiveness of Ghost signature Mechs that ECM can be used to generate in TT.

But then ECM provides stealth in a bubble in MWO for "detection" purposes where null signature or stealth armour are not needed to be applied in combination for these benefits or subsequently conferring these benefits to friendlies who don't need to equip their own ECM.

Of course these issues are concerned with detection as opposed to targeting of course, but BAP does have some ECCM qualities as a result.

[Alcom Isst]

ShadowVFX, on 09 January 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

Also; Sandpit, did you kill Roadbeer and are now posting twice as much to cover the ranting that would usually come from the both of ya?

Yes, I've been wondering what happened to our other ubiquitous purple pigeon.

[Mystere]

Alcom Isst, on 09 January 2014 - 08:06 PM, said:

Yes, I've been wondering what happened to our other ubiquitous purple pigeon.

You can find him if you know where to look.

[Alcom Isst]

Mystere, on 09 January 2014 - 09:42 PM, said:

You can find him if you know where to look.

Yeah, I know how to get to K-Town. Roadbeer was on vacation, and I just noticed that he is back.

Edited by Alcom Isst, 09 January 2014 - 11:02 PM.

[Sandpit]

Alcom Isst, on 09 January 2014 - 08:06 PM, said:

Yes, I've been wondering what happened to our other ubiquitous purple pigeon.

Hey believe it or not Road and I have been accused of being the same person lol

[Lyoto Machida]

ShadowVFX, on 09 January 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

But how about that Movement tutorial, eh!?

[Varik Ronain]

While not countering the lock on time increase a drone can and will allow you to target a deathball with multiple ecm coverage as well. My cats always use bap+tag+drone to get around the crazy ECM shield mwo made.