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[Johnny Carvin]

I really enjoy piloting both the Atlas and Stalker. I want to get one of the Hero Mechs, but can't decide on which to get first.

Any input from people who have either of these, or any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

[Martel66]

I don't have the Misery but I can give you an honest opinion of the Boar's Head. To give you some perspective, I'm not someone who has collected all of the heroes but I think I have over half. The BH is not among my favorites. It is not particularly fun to play compared to my Jester or Oxide or Dragon Slayer. Nor is it particularly effective in game compared to my Ilya, or Firebrand or Heavy Metal.

Its not even my favorite Atlas. When I want to try hard I pilot my DDC and for fun I prefer my Founders. The Boar's Head isn't completely terrible but its certainly among the bottom half of the Heroes available.

Maybe someone else can chime in regarding the Misery, I'm kinda curious about that one myself.

[Little Details]

misery no question - so many good builds for it; ac20, 2ll, 3ml or ac20 3ll or ac20 2ppc... Boars head has very little unique to it that makes it worthwhile and definitely isn't even close the to the best atlas - xl is worthless in it and you don't need more lasers in your arms to burn the dirt.

[Zerberus]

Have both, recommend both, just buy both.

But in all seriousness, if you like the chassis in general, you should be able to do fine if you can find a decent loadout.

Edited by Zerberus, 17 January 2014 - 10:35 PM.

[Escef]

Like all of the Stalkers, Misery with a standard engine tanks like a boss. The thing that makes teh Misery unique amongst the Stalkers is the ballistic point, which is low slung (meaning it is better with an AC20 than most other options). When the Misery first came out there were a lot of P2W accusations, which made me go out of my way to tangle with them in my HGN-733C. Won as often as not, but either way it was a horrible brawl.

Long story short: a 733C Highlander is probably better than either. That or use your Battlemaster 1G or 1D if you want a fast assault (those suckers MOVE with a 400 XL). But if you really want one or the other, I'd recommend the Misery; I dread those more.

[Johnny Carvin]

Really appreciate the feedback. I went with the Misery and am so enjoying that that is the Mech I went with! Having some great games with it. Lots of damage and decent C-bill gains.

If you enjoy the Stalkers, I would recommend getting one!

Edited by Johnny Carvin, 19 January 2014 - 01:09 AM.

[FERAL TIGER]

Zerberus, on 17 January 2014 - 10:34 PM, said:

Have both, recommend both, just buy both

Undercover PGI over here!

Anyone know the cost of the boars head in dollars for the current sale?

[Eldante]

Boar's head all the way. Stalker arm's get blown off too easy and if you need some reassurance check out this photo.

[Kubernetes]

I just don't think the BH offers enough over the DDC or RS to make it worth real money. 6 energy hardpoints and bigger engine? I'll never put in an XL, so the larger engine cap is wasted on me. I bought the Misery because a Stalker with an AC20 is pure brawling pleasure. And yes, it has to be an AC20--please don't insult your Misery with lesser ballistics.

[Sancho Kabrinski]

I have both. I enjoy both. Wathever you chose you cant go wrong.

@ElDante, Dude what loadout are you running?

[John MatriX82]

Misery hands down, BH is rather limited by energetics, you don't have much missile nor ballistic options.. I sold my RS long time ago because it had similar issues.

[Eldante]

I have the Misery as well and it's not that great of a brawler. You lose half your damn armament ALL the time with arm's getting blown off. Atlas BH has way more armor on it's arms. Misery has 56 max armor on the arm's and the BH has 68. Not to mention the Misery's arm's are right on top of the torso so usually arm's are always first to go. Atlas with or without ECM can pose great advantage's in pugging. Not soo much maybe for competitive 12 man's though.

I run Std 350, 6ML, AC20, AMS. 1t ams, 6t's ac20. Fire the groups of ML in groups of 3.

[Zerberus]

While I do prefer the Misery by just a hair (just becasue not an atlas = not prime target), I think it`s interesting when people criticize the hardpoints of either then praise the other, becasue they are very very similar. The main difference is only really movable arms and 1 laser more on the atlas (and the atlas can go over 70 if you really want to). Ok, the stalker can zombie with 1 ML if it gets lucky.... but then again, who in his right mind would let it walk away?

Case in point I run both with an AC20 and 5/6 MLs, and they both run exactly 65 w/ Tweak... the really differ only in the Missile loadout (1 LRM10 vs 1 SRM6) and the movable arms.... IMO hardly enough for one to be significantly superior to the other...

FERAL TIGER, on 19 January 2014 - 01:18 AM, said:

Undercover PGI over here!


Anyone know the cost of the boars head in dollars for the current sale?

ROFL and yes, I do.. but I recommend you learn basic math, instead, since you apparently already have a problem understanding basic emoticons (or, in classic forumwarrior fashion, you jerked your knee up so high you couldn`t read the rest).

35$ - 30%= ?

See, I can be an *** when it`s uncalled for, too. PGI employees can`t

Edited by Zerberus, 19 January 2014 - 12:34 PM.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

I'd be tempted to suggest Boar's Head just for the engine, since you have the Battlemasters. Getting a "free" XL400 to slap in one of those can save you a whole bunch of time, plus the BH can pretty much eliminate the need for an AS7-RS (you can already skip the -K) in your Atlas stable.

[Deathlike]

The Misery is easily the better choice of the two. The Boar Head fad ended quickly, because the BH's weakness is far easier to expose if you're already shooting Atlases "the correct way" (aka, shoot their side torsos, aka the right side/ballistic torso). The Misery's ballistic hardpoint is the most visiblle, but if in the worst case, you are using as an energy Stalker-5M, you already get a small bonus to torso twist (not 3F level, but better than any standard Stalker).

Edited by Deathlike, 19 January 2014 - 12:43 PM.