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[Almond Brown]

Joseph Mallan, on 31 January 2014 - 10:44 AM, said:

If SWTOR can show I am on Tython with 47 other players or 146 on Korriban MW:O can show me I am on Frozen City with 300 or 40 which ever it is!

For Tython and Korriban I cannot say for sure. But I have been to Frozen City. It's Population every time I visit is 24 max. More than that and I start to worry something is amiss.

Tycho von Gagern, on 31 January 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

stuff

They really can't win.

Another Like and a +1 Internets just for the pure sensibility of it.

[Joseph Mallan]

Well played sir!
Well played!

[Almond Brown]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 31 January 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

I don't care about how many people are online.

All I care about is A] who is in a premade in my matches, and B] ELO scores.

Those two items, with enough matches played, means I can definitively decide whether the matchmaker is working properly.

And if that info was given to the "General Population" it would totally ruin most, if not all, Matches in MWO.

First would be numerous DC's when the cries of "Our Team" only got 1 premade. Match Ruined.

Second would be a cry for a needed "Kick Button", as the Leet ELO'rs will not want to have the ragged UnderHive playing in their Matches, it is just so below them to do ffs. The trash talk would be so ugly.... Matches Ruined.

So how about's we not give the "General Population" anything that cannot be taken back... please...

Edited by Almond Brown, 31 January 2014 - 11:23 AM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Almond Brown, on 31 January 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

And if that info was given to the "General Population" it would totally ruin most, if not all, Matches in MWO.

First would be numerous DC's when the cries of "Our Team" only got 1 premade. Match Ruined.

Second would be a cry for a needed "Kick Button", as the Leet ELO'rs will not want to have the ragged UnderHive playing in their Matches, it is just so below them to do ffs. The trash talk would be so ugly.... Matches Ruined.

So how about's we not give the "General Population" anything that cannot be taken back... please...

You say, but other games do this.

So I disagree. Mechwarrior: Online is one of the only games I can think of off the top of my head that hides that information.

Same way Mechwarrior: Online is the only game I've ever played that dismantled it's General Forums.

Ever think that it's not the players that are the problem? Maybe it's the developers?

[Rebas Kradd]

Great OP.

PGI has already balanced things as far as they can. The rest is up to us (and yes, we DO have a role in game balance). Anything further from PGI (tonnage matching, premade visibility, divided pug/premade queues) are abuse-prone and vaguely draconian, and should be avoided.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

But I guess it's all the "General Populations" fault, but of course you exlude yourself from that, right?

Rebas Kradd, on 31 January 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

Great OP.

PGI has already balanced things as far as they can. The rest is up to us (and yes, we DO have a role in game balance). Anything further from PGI (tonnage matching, premade visibility, divided pug/premade queues) are abuse-prone and vaguely draconian, and should be avoided.

No, we'd have a role if we had lobbies and could dictate things like tonnage limits, choosing not include certain builds, or removing items like ECM.

[DaZur]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 31 January 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

I don't care about how many people are online.

All I care about is A] who is in a premade in my matches, and B] ELO scores.

Those two items, with enough matches played, means I can definitively decide whether the matchmaker is working properly.

While I appreciate why you want to see who's a PM in your matches, it's double edge sword...

PMs have been painted as baby-eating molesters of squirrels... You think players DC'ing because of the map is bad... highlight them and stick them in everyones face pre-drop and let's see how many drop out of sheer spite.

​I'm sorry... it's mildly self serving and supersedes the needs of the community.

​We need more common ground not even more divisiveness...

Edited by DaZur, 31 January 2014 - 11:32 AM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

DaZur, on 31 January 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

While I appreciate why you want to see who's a PM in your matches, it's double edge sword...

PMs have been painted as baby-eating molesters of squirrels... You think players DC'ing because of the map is bad... highlight them and stick them in everyones face pre-drop and let's see how many drop out of sheer spite.

​I'm sorry... it's mildly self serving and supersedes the needs of the community.

​We need more common ground not even more divisiveness...

See this is the problem, you, Sandpit, Almond and a few other posters have such a low viewpoint on everyone else who plays, that you say this stuff.

Your {Scrap} smells just as bad as everyone else's.

PGI is the problem, not the player base. Maybe releasing some real data and real numbers and listening to us would help foster a real community and create a better game.

[Joseph Mallan]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 31 January 2014 - 11:35 AM, said:

See this is the problem, you, Sandpit, Almond and a few other posters have such a low viewpoint on everyone else who plays, that you say this stuff.

Your {Scrap} smells just as bad as everyone else's.

PGI is the problem, not the player base. Maybe releasing some real data and real numbers and listening to us would help foster a real community and create a better game.

Not everyone, Just a realistic idea of what would likely happen. Kinda like Our latest No Cap possible Scenario. First thing that was warned would happen, did. Players were running of and hiding to prolong the match.

I we highlighted Teams we would see players quite matches cause they are playing vs teams. You know it would happen.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 31 January 2014 - 11:40 AM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Joseph Mallan, on 31 January 2014 - 11:39 AM, said:

Not everyone, Just a realistic idea of what would likely happen. Kinda like Our latest No Cap possible Scenario. First thing that was warned would happen, did. Players were running of and hiding to prolong the match.

I we highlighted Teams we would see players quite matches cause they are playing vs teams. You know it would happen.

No, there are a few people saying they saw it. And then a whole lot more people came in and said they had MANY, many games where that was not happening.

I've played a lot of skirmish since I started mastering Shadow Hawks and have not once seen that.

You have a bunch of people blowing things out of proportion because they hated the concept of a Team Deathmatch to begin with.

[DaZur]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 31 January 2014 - 11:35 AM, said:

See this is the problem, you, Sandpit, Almond and a few other posters have such a low viewpoint on everyone else who plays, that you say this stuff.

Your {Scrap} smells just as bad as everyone else's.

PGI is the problem, not the player base. Maybe releasing some real data and real numbers and listening to us would help foster a real community and create a better game.

Mr. Pot meet Mrs. Kettle...

Actually If anything I have a unrealistically optimistic view of this player base because I appreciate that there is a larger world outside this community than the couple dozen people who have nothing but dire outlooks and pessimistic vitriol to spew.

Oh, no doubt PGI has some hand in all this... That said, I'm not so flipping blinded by seething rage and disappointment to not also appreciate that I have some personal responsibility in what I derive from this game...

Edited by DaZur, 31 January 2014 - 11:48 AM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

I love how you are all looking down your noses at the people who play this game. Why are you here exactly if you think everyone who plays would quit out if they saw pre-mades?

And most of the people saying that defend PGI. PGI says most matches have Pre-mades on both sides, so wouldn't it mean that if they allowed us to see Pre-mades, we'd see that they are on both sides and that the matchmaker works?

Or are you scared the matchmaker doesn't work, and we'll see pre-mades showing on one side and not the other?

DaZur, on 31 January 2014 - 11:47 AM, said:

Mr. Pot meet Mrs. Kettle...

Actually If anything I have a unrealistically optimistic view of this player base because I appreciate that there is a larger world outside this community than the couple dozen people who have nothing but dire outlooks and pessimistic vitriol to spew.

Oh, no doubt PGI has some hand in all this... That said, I'm not so flipping blinded by seething rage and disappointment to also appreciate I have some personal responsibility in what I derive from this game...

No, I think this player base is very mature. There are a lot of middle aged men with a lot of money to spend here. But PGI has done an amazing job squandering that.

The player base is not a bunch of 16 year olds who scream expletives like on X-Box Live COD. A lot of us have families, jobs and grew up with Mechwarrior.

We want the game to succeed.

[FactorlanP]

DaZur, on 31 January 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

While I appreciate why you want to see who's a PM in your matches, it's double edge sword...

PMs have been painted as baby-eating molesters of squirrels... You think players DC'ing because of the map is bad... highlight them and stick them in everyones face pre-drop and let's see how many drop out of sheer spite.

​I'm sorry... it's mildly self serving and supersedes the needs of the community.

​We need more common ground not even more divisiveness...

I see it the other way.

If we could see who the pre-mades were, we can see if the Matchmaker is properly putting pre-mades on opposing sides.

I would feel a lot better about the game if I could see that there is a 4 man group on each side, rather than 3 4 man groups on 1 side and none on the other...

We aren't able to make those judgements right now. So we have to speculate on everything.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

God, I can't believe the audacity that you think if we showed pre-mades that everyone would suddenly quit out on games.

Do you have THAT little faith in PGI's matchmaker?

FactorlanP, on 31 January 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

I see it the other way.

If we could see who the pre-mades were, we can see if the Matchmaker is properly putting pre-mades on opposing sides.

I would feel a lot better about the game if I could see that there is a 4 man group on each side, rather than 3 4 man groups on 1 side and none on the other...

We aren't able to make those judgements right now. So we have to speculate on everything.

Ding, ding, ding.

[Joseph Mallan]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 31 January 2014 - 11:47 AM, said:

I love how you are all looking down your noses at the people who play this game. Why are you here exactly if you think everyone who plays would quit out if they saw pre-mades?

And most of the people saying that defend PGI. PGI says most matches have Pre-mades on both sides, so wouldn't it mean that if they allowed us to see Pre-mades, we'd see that they are on both sides and that the matchmaker works?

Or are you scared the matchmaker doesn't work, and we'll see pre-mades showing on one side and not the other?

Cause I saw it happen in Closed Beta. I saw playes game the system by DCing once the match started so they could farm C-Bills, There are players who announce they don't like a map, team configuration, or the color of my Mech and DC. It isn't looking down our nose, it is keep our eyes wide open. Would it be everyone? No. Would it be a lot? Maybe, Would it be often? Maybe. Would it happen? Almost guaranteed!

[Nicholas Carlyle]

So which is it? If the matchmaker works, and pre-mades are on both sides, then why not show it?

Or is the matchmaker broken, and you are scared that if we show pre-mades that everyone will realize it?

Hmm?

Joseph Mallan, on 31 January 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

Cause I saw it happen in Closed Beta. I saw playes game the system by DCing once the match started so they could farm C-Bills, There are players who announce they don't like a map, team configuration, or the color of my Mech and DC. It isn't looking down our nose, it is keep our eyes wide open. Would it be everyone? No. Would it be a lot? Maybe, Would it be often? Maybe. Would it happen? Almost guaranteed!

DCing to farm C-bills or DCing to avoid a map is a completely different situation.

And if we are worried a few poor schlubs who aren't really interested in the game DC'ing, then we are worrying about the wrong people.

Who cares if 1 out of 100 people decides to drop out because they see a premade?

How about you Joseph? Do you have faith that the matchmaker is putting pre-mades evenly on both sides?

[Joseph Mallan]

FactorlanP, on 31 January 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

I see it the other way.

If we could see who the pre-mades were, we can see if the Matchmaker is properly putting pre-mades on opposing sides.

I would feel a lot better about the game if I could see that there is a 4 man group on each side, rather than 3 4 man groups on 1 side and none on the other...

We aren't able to make those judgements right now. So we have to speculate on everything.

I am sure there is a core who are just like this, Myself included, but I have seen my fellow players and for every sportsman like player, there is a scrub.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Joseph Mallan, on 31 January 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

I am sure there is a core who are just like this, Myself included, but I have seen my fellow players and for every sportsman like player, there is a scrub.

That's not true.

It's not 1 for 1.

I've played enough matches to know there are MANY more players who want to play and have a good time, than there are people who disconnect because they don't see any ECM on their team or something.

[Joseph Mallan]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 31 January 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

So which is it? If the matchmaker works, and pre-mades are on both sides, then why not show it?

Or is the matchmaker broken, and you are scared that if we show pre-mades that everyone will realize it?

Hmm?



DCing to farm C-bills or DCing to avoid a map is a completely different situation.

And if we are worried a few poor schlubs who aren't really interested in the game DC'ing, then we are worrying about the wrong people.

Who cares if 1 out of 100 people decides to drop out because they see a premade?

How about you Joseph? Do you have faith that the matchmaker is putting pre-mades evenly on both sides?

Nope! I actually am hoping it doesn't. Cause sometimes I want to n the elite all star team and sometimes I am willing to be
Ensign Ricky

Nicholas Carlyle, on 31 January 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

That's not true.

It's not 1 for 1.

I've played enough matches to know there are MANY more players who want to play and have a good time, than there are people who disconnect because they don't see any ECM on their team or something.

Fair enough sir, I have probably exaggerated.

[DaZur]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 31 January 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

No, I think this player base is very mature. There are a lot of middle aged men with a lot of money to spend here. But PGI has done an amazing job squandering that.

The player base is not a bunch of 16 year olds who scream expletives like on X-Box Live COD. A lot of us have families, jobs and grew up with Mechwarrior.

Oh for sure we have a median age of 40+ with disposable income... Sadly a disproportionate number of them visit this forum and squeal like pouty 6 year olds who didn't get what they wanted for Christmas...

Age and disposable income does not predispose people from behaving irrationally.

FactorlanP, on 31 January 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

I would feel a lot better about the game if I could see that there is a 4 man group on each side, rather than 3 4 man groups on 1 side and none on the other...

I'm sorry to say your approach is governed by a higher level of maturity than what is routinely exposed around here... I wish more has that kind of common sense.

Edited by DaZur, 31 January 2014 - 12:04 PM.