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[RichAC]

DragonsFire, on 05 February 2014 - 01:35 AM, said:

Have you performed the changes in the front end as opposed to in the game and then launched? It is possible that they are not updating properly if being changed while in-game and it would be worth setting everything to one default and working from there; ie Fullscreen mode, Medium System Specifications, no motion blur, etc.

Yep I've tried both, changed my settings so many times. I also just put the nvidia settings I had back to default. No luck. I don't think there is anything I can do. My only option so it doesn't look horrible is to play at 1080p. Which is just a little frustrating, because my aim is terrible at that resolution.

The more I look at these pics, icould just be how horrible the UI looks at the lower resolution, meaning everything including the target reticule, that just makes the textures also seem horrible. Sort of like that show on tv called mindgames. But i'm pretty sure everything looks like crap now.

Regardless, its not a good change for me and looks terrible unless at 1080p.

Edited by RichAC, 05 February 2014 - 02:26 AM.

[Ballimbo]

RichAC, I can feel your discomfort, because I expierence the same Issues!

I'm running the game on 1280x1024 in fullscreen mode, which is the native Resolution of my monitor (yeah, it is an old one, but the image is still excellent and it has a 75hz refresh rate, which I don't want to give up yet).
I have every graphic-setting on High, and no vsync - reaching up to 120 fps on some maps. So framerates are absolutly fine and no problem at all.

BUT the overall look has become really bad. I have the same "pixelisation" and "striping" of fonts and HUD elements (like target-rectangle around enemy mechs or especially the triangles above mechs!), also the whole picture seems to be some sort of "over-sharpened" - everything with pixelated sharp edges. It's difficult to describe, but the "smoothness", which felt more like a real sight instead of an computer-image is totally gone. In addition my eyes hurt after three matches because of this.
I'm at work now, so don't have a screenshot (and I don't have screens from before patch of ingame scenes neither).

Prior to the patch, everything was fine. It was smooth and comfortable to look at.
Is there a problem with AA or something with this Patch?

As stated above, I'm playing in my screens native Resolution, so no downsampling or something.

P.S. english isn't my native tongue, so apologise for any strange sentences or wording

Edited by Ballimbo, 05 February 2014 - 02:31 AM.

[fleshwoundNPG]

RichAC, on 05 February 2014 - 01:55 AM, said:

OH ya check out the diff in lasers. I know for a fact the laser did NOT look like utter crap on 1600x900 before the patch...thats a definite. And you can clearly see this even in the screenshots. The lasers were just as solid at 1600x900 as they were on 1080p. Something is wrong. maybe its the horrible looking target reticle playing a mind trick I don't know anymore.


http://postimg.org/image/7jcqsohdf/

http://postimg.org/image/96hr5b88f/

THAT...is total amateur garbage.

Edited by fleshwoundNPG, 05 February 2014 - 02:37 AM.

[Ballimbo]

There are other users talking about I think the same "bad picture" issue.

e.g. here
http://mwomercs.com/...n-max-settings/

Maybe it has nothing to do with the resolution as such, but rather with the settings values gone hazardous.
I will try those mentionend "shifts" in values when get to play the next time. Maybe you could give it a shot too RichAC and tell us if that changes the ugly appearance ingame.

[DragonsFire]

I was able to replicate your lower resolution issue by setting my game to 1600x900 and 1600x1024 and Full Window under Windowed Mode.

By switching Windowed Mode to Fullscreen and still keeping the same resolution I was able to see a very definitive improvement in the quality, so I would recommend utilizing the Fullscreen option first and foremost.

[spectralthundr]

Why in the world would you not play at your native desktop resolution to begin with?

[DirePhoenix]

RichAC, on 05 February 2014 - 12:56 AM, said:

ya its not your typical blurriness. It just looks bad. I've seen guys in game also asking people if their text is blurry. It seems the automatic response now is change your resolution to 1080p which I guess it what 90% of the players use.

I'm not a programmer or developer, but I just don't understand, how this change would change the lower then native resolutions compared to prior to the patch?

Its like night and day compared to before the patch. I really don't now what screenshots would do since I have no screenshots prior to the patch, but just to humor you.

http://postimg.org/image/em0ar80vt/ http://postimg.org/image/vlt5m69zx/ 1080p

http://postimg.org/image/61xfxnvqn/ 1600x900

http://postimg.org/image/anrl7btdp/ 1024x768

As you can see the difference between 1080 and 1600x900 is striking. but there is not much change going from 1600x900 to 1024x768, except size. the fonts compared to 1080p are quite noticeable.

It looks like your texture or detail settings are set too low. I had this same issue when this was on the public test server, as shown by my Catapult wearing the PC Gamer camo (note how even the cockpit geometry is off):



But then I changed some of the options (click the "Advanced Settings" button under the video options) and everything snapped into place:



Unfortunately I can't remember if it was texture detail or model detail, or both that fixed it, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the resolution

[Xenon Codex]

RichAC, on 05 February 2014 - 01:59 AM, said:

Yep I've tried both, changed my settings so many times. I also just put the nvidia settings I had back to default. No luck. I don't think there is anything I can do. My only option so it doesn't look horrible is to play at 1080p. Which is just a little frustrating, because my aim is terrible at that resolution.

The more I look at these pics, icould just be how horrible the UI looks at the lower resolution, meaning everything including the target reticule, that just makes the textures also seem horrible. Sort of like that show on tv called mindgames. But i'm pretty sure everything looks like crap now.

Regardless, its not a good change for me and looks terrible unless at 1080p.

RichAC,

Looking at your screenshots it's pretty obvious that your video card is not running in the lower resolution. All your example screenshots are 1920x1080 pixels, which means your video card is actually running at that resolution. So the software is scaling the lower game resolution up to your video card resolution. This is also why it is running really slow, because it's using your CPU to do the scaling.

There might be a bug in the game, your DirectX drivers, or video card drivers where it's not properly switching your video card's resolution. Or it could just be due to running in "Windowed Fullscreen" mode instead of "Fullscreen".

From the main menu Settings (not in-game), be sure to select "Fullscreen", then choose a graphics detail setting from the dropdown box, and click Save. DO NOT edit any of the Advanced detail settings, there is a bug where changing anything in there will cause Very High Detail High Detail to be used. Choose only the preset detail levels!

Edit: It seems best to avoid "Low" detail also, "Medium" is now the new low setting: http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__3127361

If that doesn't work, then set your Windows desktop resolution to the same resolution you wish to play the game in (using Nvidia control panel for example). If your Windows resolution is the same as your game setting resolution, there should be no scaling and it should look much better.

To see if it's working, take a screenshot with Print Screen and see if the pixel count matches your expected resolution.

Edited by XenonCx, 05 February 2014 - 10:55 AM.

[RichAC]

Ballimbo, on 05 February 2014 - 06:49 AM, said:

There are other users talking about I think the same "bad picture" issue.

e.g. here
http://mwomercs.com/...n-max-settings/

Maybe it has nothing to do with the resolution as such, but rather with the settings values gone hazardous.
I will try those mentionend "shifts" in values when get to play the next time. Maybe you could give it a shot too RichAC and tell us if that changes the ugly appearance ingame.

it defaulting to higher graphic quality settings is a seperate issue, then what the OP of that thread is experiencing. Even if it was defaulting to higher graphics settings, that would affect fps, it would not make the game look like garbage compared to before the patch when I was on the lowest settings possible....

Edited by RichAC, 05 February 2014 - 11:08 AM.

[RichAC]

DragonsFire, on 05 February 2014 - 08:37 AM, said:

I was able to replicate your lower resolution issue by setting my game to 1600x900 and 1600x1024 and Full Window under Windowed Mode.

By switching Windowed Mode to Fullscreen and still keeping the same resolution I was able to see a very definitive improvement in the quality, so I would recommend utilizing the Fullscreen option first and foremost.

I'm already at full screen as I've said before.

[RichAC]

XenonCx, on 05 February 2014 - 10:40 AM, said:

RichAC,

Looking at your screenshots it's pretty obvious that your video card is not running in the lower resolution. All your example screenshots are 1920x1080 pixels, which means your video card is actually running at that resolution. So the software is scaling the lower game resolution up to your video card resolution. This is also why it is running really slow, because it's using your CPU to do the scaling.

There might be a bug in the game, your DirectX drivers, or video card drivers where it's not properly switching your video card's resolution. Or it could just be due to running in "Windowed Fullscreen" mode instead of "Fullscreen".

From the main menu Settings (not in-game), be sure to select "Fullscreen", then choose a graphics detail setting from the dropdown box, and click Save. DO NOT edit any of the Advanced detail settings, there is a bug where changing anything in there will cause Very High Detail High Detail to be used. Choose only the preset detail levels!

Edit: It seems best to avoid "Low" detail also, "Medium" is now the new low setting: http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__3127361

If that doesn't work, then set your Windows desktop resolution to the same resolution you wish to play the game in (using Nvidia control panel for example). If your Windows resolution is the same as your game setting resolution, there should be no scaling and it should look much better.

To see if it's working, take a screenshot with Print Screen and see if the pixel count matches your expected resolution.

setting my desktop resolution to the same as game fixed the issue.

I prefer to run my desktop at 1920x1080 though so its less blurry when reading webpages. Isn't this something PGI should fix?

Thankyou for the workaround though. Spot On.

[RichAC]

DragonsFire, on 05 February 2014 - 08:37 AM, said:

I was able to replicate your lower resolution issue by setting my game to 1600x900 and 1600x1024 and Full Window under Windowed Mode.

By switching Windowed Mode to Fullscreen and still keeping the same resolution I was able to see a very definitive improvement in the quality, so I would recommend utilizing the Fullscreen option first and foremost.

DragonFire, my apologies you were right all along. It kept defaulting back to full window.....oh man. I don't know how I wasn't realizing that.

Not that it is defaulting to higher quality settings, which was my issue at first regarding my fps, but its defaulting to full window which is causing the graphic corruption or the problem in scaling. I'm not sure if setting it in-game or mechlab is better but I think the settings are saved now.

Thanks for all the help guys! I love the game again!

Edited by RichAC, 05 February 2014 - 11:15 AM.

[FallenSeraphim]

RichAC, on 05 February 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

Thanks for all the help guys! I love the game again!

Huzzah!

[RichAC]

FallenSeraphim, on 05 February 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:

Huzzah!

I had to do it....lol

Edited by RichAC, 08 February 2014 - 03:00 AM.

[shockdiode]

This worked for me as well. I could swear I'd looked at every setting but obviously not. Interesting that 'full window' makes it look all janky but setting it back to fullscreen got me back to where I was prior.

[RichAC]

shockdiode, on 12 February 2014 - 08:13 PM, said:

This worked for me as well. I could swear I'd looked at every setting but obviously not. Interesting that 'full window' makes it look all janky but setting it back to fullscreen got me back to where I was prior.

Ya I can't believe I didn't even see it, even when people told me to look. Before, the window would change size according to resolution, after the patch its not doing that which I guess is why I assumed it was full screen.

But I'm a total noob and I'm going to crawl into a hole now...

Not sure if I will be able to play the game much in the future, I'm about to bite the dust. But I had tons of fun playing with the guys in my unit who were all real nice, and I think this is a great game. I'm always making a statement, but I wish everyone good luck.

Edited by RichAC, 13 February 2014 - 09:06 AM.

[Mad Strike]

RichAC, on 05 February 2014 - 12:56 AM, said:

ya its not your typical blurriness. It just looks bad. I've seen guys in game also asking people if their text is blurry. It seems the automatic response now is change your resolution to 1080p which I guess it what 90% of the players use.

I'm not a programmer or developer, but I just don't understand, how this change would change the lower then native resolutions compared to prior to the patch?

Its like night and day compared to before the patch. I really don't now what screenshots would do since I have no screenshots prior to the patch, but just to humor you.

http://postimg.org/image/em0ar80vt/ http://postimg.org/image/vlt5m69zx/ 1080p

http://postimg.org/image/61xfxnvqn/ 1600x900

http://postimg.org/image/anrl7btdp/ 1024x768

As you can see the difference between 1080 and 1600x900 is striking. but there is not much change going from 1600x900 to 1024x768, except size. the fonts compared to 1080p are quite noticeable.

Sounds like windowed mode

If not , then its not the game but your PC the one with the real problem

Edited by strikebrch, 13 February 2014 - 10:31 AM.

[RichAC]

strikebrch, on 13 February 2014 - 10:29 AM, said:

Sounds like windowed mode

If not , then its not the game but your PC the one with the real problem

yes we've already figured it out, it defaulted to full window mode which has a problem. so full screen fixed the issue.