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[Wispsy]

Skyfaller, on 07 February 2014 - 07:38 AM, said:

Lights aren't supposed to be damage dealers nor be brawling with stuff bigger than them on their own. The jenner almost can do this thanks to its medium-mech equivalent armament and light mech speed plus armor between a medium and a light.

This thing is literally a heavy-end medium mech with the speed of a light mech.

You do realize that if light mechs are only meant to fight other light mechs then we should all just stop playing light mechs and get in assaults right now...which kind of defeats the object of having light mechs in the game. Just saying.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Skyfaller, on 07 February 2014 - 07:38 AM, said:

Lights aren't supposed to be damage dealers nor be brawling with stuff bigger than them on their own...

Not entirely true.

I like my Locust 3M, but when piloting it, I NEVER want to engage other light mechs (and even some mediums). The Locust is mostly a Heavy/Assault harraser if you choose to use it for attacking.

I can out manuver and get away from the heavier mechs and this assists me in my hit-and-fade attacks. I can also easily get in behind them and start anihilating their rear armor.

If a light decides to engage me (especially Jenners and even the medium Cicadas), I am an easy kill for them. I have weaker armor and am not fast enough to get away. Sure I have the 5MLasers on it, but with the weak leg armor, A Jenner with MLasers or a Swayback, or a CIcada can leg me quick and finish me off.

TL;DR
So no, not all light mechs are meant to engage other lights. All mechs are roll specific, so it is best to use that mech for it's best suited roll and take advantage of that.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 07 February 2014 - 08:47 AM.

[Scryed]

Ghost Badger, on 06 February 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

It won't be. Check the command post on incoming clan tech.
Clan stays Clan.

Sphere stays Sphere.

Yeah just like they said they wouldn't introduce coolant flush or 3rd person too right????

LOL give them about 2 weeks after the clans come out and people will ***** and whine and they will cave.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Scryed, on 07 February 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

Yeah just like they said they wouldn't introduce coolant flush or 3rd person too right????

LOL give them about 2 weeks after the clans come out and people will ***** and whine and they will cave.

Well, 3rd person and coolant flush were intendid to make the game more new player friendly IMO. I think they wanted to help ease the learning curve for players. Whether it did or not is a whole other argument, but I think that is why they added it.

IS tech on IS and Clan tech on Clan mechs doesn't fall under that category, so I can see them sticking to their guns on that one.

[Scryed]

MeiSooHaityu, on 07 February 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

Well, 3rd person and coolant flush were intendid to make the game more new player friendly IMO. I think they wanted to help ease the learning curve for players. Whether it did or not is a whole other argument, but I think that is why they added it.

IS tech on IS and Clan tech on Clan mechs doesn't fall under that category, so I can see them sticking to their guns on that one.

In Battletech and Mechwarrior Clan tech that was salvaged was useable...if it doesn't happen in this game...why play it??

They talk about sticking to canon as close to possible (which they aren't) doesn't matter the game is stagnant at this point and everyone I know who used to play isn't coming back till CW(if it even comes out) so honestly you are right I don't even care at this point, the game could go poof and you know what I would do? I would install Mechwarrior 3 where I can put whatever I want on my mech and not be restricted.

[Satan n stuff]

Adiuvo, on 07 February 2014 - 08:06 AM, said:

I own an Ember, I know the hitboxes. Compared to a Jenner's CT the arms aren't a problem. At all.

Funnily enough you're the one who sounds like you're talking about the mech based off of paper assessments...

You get a better CT hitbox, but your sidetorsos are more vulnerable. Expect 30-40 alpha instakills.

[Adiuvo]

Satan n stuff, on 07 February 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

You get a better CT hitbox, but your sidetorsos are more vulnerable. Expect 30-40 alpha instakills.

Again, due to the arms this doesn't really happen.

[Satan n stuff]

Adiuvo, on 07 February 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Again, due to the arms this doesn't really happen.

Clearly you haven't been fighting the right players.

[Wispsy]

Satan n stuff, on 08 February 2014 - 03:10 AM, said:

Clearly you haven't been fighting the right players.

You would be hard pressed to find better players then the ones he plays against.

[hellcatq]

Wouldn't it be cool if they would make your elo into a level that can be displayed on your forum posts? Would be good to see who to belive actually knows what they are talking about an would make for less posts like the above couple.

[Alistair Winter]

People can believe what they want. The numbers don't lie. Pretty soon, the Embers will dominate the light mech scene and this discussion will be moot.

It'd be slightly more interesting to discuss why the fans aren't acknowledging PGI's power creep. I guess people don't mind it so much in MWO where they get tired of old mechs and don't mind the fact that their old mechs are obsolete.

[LegoPirate]

Satan n stuff, on 08 February 2014 - 03:10 AM, said:

Clearly you haven't been fighting the right players.

the convergence and differing projectile velocity on pretty much every popular mech (jager/ctf/vtr/hgn) mean that this will almost never happen against a half decent light. good lights make you lead your shots by traveling perpendicular to your fire, which means convergence gets broken.

[Satan n stuff]

Wispsy, on 08 February 2014 - 03:13 AM, said:

You would be hard pressed to find better players then the ones he plays against.

I know that, but I also know that most players don't bother with the torso on most lights, that is the main reason it's rare to die without being legged if you're not in a Jenner. I personally take those sidetorso shots whenever I get the opportunity, and if you're fairly accurate you've got a good chance of oneshotting most lights. I'm not nearly as accurate or active as I used to be, so I fail at it more often now, if I'm even running a build that can do it that is, but I can still do it.

hellcatq, on 08 February 2014 - 03:34 AM, said:

Wouldn't it be cool if they would make your elo into a level that can be displayed on your forum posts? Would be good to see who to belive actually knows what they are talking about an would make for less posts like the above couple.

We don't need visible elo for that, but a 1 vs 1 if it were possible would quickly settle things. I do recall seeing you ingame a few times and you haven't really impressed me. Adiuvo on the other hand is very good, but being good doesn't make you infallible.

LegoPirate, on 08 February 2014 - 03:43 AM, said:

the convergence and differing projectile velocity on pretty much every popular mech (jager/ctf/vtr/hgn) mean that this will almost never happen against a half decent light. good lights make you lead your shots by traveling perpendicular to your fire, which means convergence gets broken.

Are you're saying lights run in straight lines? Or do they occasionally turn towards or away from an enemy? Because if I'm not mistaken that does happen and it is in fact a great opportunity to attempt a oneshot kill.

[Wispsy]

After playing against the best snipers in the game over the past couple of days I can safely say it gets 1/2shot far less then the Jenner. Of course shooting legs is the most effective way to kill any mech that is torso twisting, except the Jenner (or Catapult) as they have massive cts that are even easier to hit then legs and require even less damage to get through.

[Satan n stuff]

Wispsy, on 08 February 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

After playing against the best snipers in the game over the past couple of days I can safely say it gets 1/2shot far less then the Jenner. Of course shooting legs is the most effective way to kill any mech that is torso twisting, except the Jenner (or Catapult) as they have massive cts that are even easier to hit then legs and require even less damage to get through.

Fair enough, you won't likely two shot an Ember if you don't have the damage output to kill it in one, the Jenner is however nearly impossible to one shot if you don't get a clear shot at it's back, unless they went for that 50/50 armor idiocy, then it's an easy kill regardless.

[Danger_Noodle]

Honestly, feels like I get damage fairly evenly distributed in the Ember. But when I lose an arm, the center torso hitbox suddenly gets larger on the affected side. May just not know how to go from the Jenner T-Rex arms to the Ember gorilla arms yet, but it seems to happen a lot.

Sacrificing 4-5 tons on machine gun loadouts seems to add up in the Ember. It can rack up some amazing damage, and I do enjoy the sustained fire, but I'm not sure I agree the Jenner is done for. Then again, no x2 pilot skills yet on the Ember. Wait and see I guess.

[Adiuvo]

Satan n stuff, on 08 February 2014 - 03:10 AM, said:

Clearly you haven't been fighting the right players.

I get that it's in vogue to claim you're super high Elo and all that, but really now? Who are you? What unit are you part of? What tournaments have you participated in?

Given how matchmaker balances teams by taking a few high level players then sticking them with newbies to balance out the average Elo, it's not even difficult to fight with the 'right' players.

[Satan n stuff]

Adiuvo, on 08 February 2014 - 12:25 PM, said:

I get that it's in vogue to claim you're super high Elo and all that, but really now? Who are you? What unit are you part of? What tournaments have you participated in?

Given how matchmaker balances teams by taking a few high level players then sticking them with newbies to balance out the average Elo, it's not even difficult to fight with the 'right' players.

Read the next few posts, then try again. I know who you are, and I don't care whether or not you know who I am. I consider myself to be a good player, but not even close to the best. If I can do something, then others can too.

Edited by Satan n stuff, 08 February 2014 - 01:34 PM.

[aseth]

The Ember is hellaciously good.

It does apparently have a bad back, giving it terrible pitch angling (surprisingly noticable), but it's an absolute beast of a mech.

Heh, I just looked it up, it actually has the worst pitching in the game, 1 degree worse than the Atlas.

[MungFuSensei]

I'm starting to think that if you wanna take on Embers, don't aim for the legs. Similar to the Cicada, it's top heavy. However, it is still armored like a light. Either you get a good shot on the torso, or you bust up an arm. I'm still of the opinion that it's best to treat it like a really fast medium, because of its size. It's quite easy to hit the torsos on it, even with the big arms, if you know how to time your shots. I suggest high velocity ballistics, or a nice fat SRM swarm (if you don't have streaks). LB10X is probably weapon of choice against them. Again, they are fast, but they are chunky. This means you can still have good odds of hitting them with stuff other than lasers.

This is just what I've learned fighting against them in both my LB10x Ember and my Dragon Slayer poptart. If you're predominantly using lasers, then you're probably still better off aiming for the legs.