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[Noesis]

I guess you'll have to ask the Vigilante Hit Squad to stop their political BS posts about posting behaviour all over the place that seems to entitle them to say and do what they like and subsequently then report content to have it disappear.

[Willard Phule]

Children, please. Do I have to get the belt?

That being said, I wonder if the Developers follow any of these strings to glean any real constructive information from them. There have been a LOT of good observations and suggestions in the three or four threads I've been following with regard to the whole matchmaker thing.

Being the pessimist that I am, I really doubt it. It seems to me that they have their own agenda and timetables (which is a subject for an entirely different thread and simply boggles the mind to see how they've missed deadline after deadline, while their player base dwindles down to a fraction of what they had previously).

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if, or how, they manage to get things to work in such a fashion that those people that keep shelling out money for a "Free to Play" game can actually come away from it with a feeling of satisfaction....as opposed to coming away with the frustration over what feels like one-sided matches they've had lately.

I really DO hope they're paying attention.....but, as a wise man once said, "Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Historically speaking, with regard to PGI's performance, they seem to be perpetually repeating their own failures over and over again.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Sandpit, on 08 February 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

I'll go ahead and paste this in this thread as well as the other "MM sucks" threads I'm posting in

that 96%? They aren't experiencing stomps as often as the 2-4% in the extremes. So when you come up with an idea other than "MM sucks, PGI sucks, I'm uninstalling" that helps mitigate those stomps for the 4% that doesn't throw everythign out of whack for the 96% that AREN'T experiencing that, we might have something to talk about.

Meanwhile "PGI sucks, fix this!" and "Arggghhh I'm uninstalling because every game I play (which is a flat out lie) is a stomp!" does nothing to help figure out how to improve anything.


P.S.
There's no arguing against the bell curve figure I posted. It's a factual statistical truth. There's always that 2-4% at extremes (which is incidentally where we get the whole "There's always an exception to the rule") so please don't bother with the "Well that doesn't apply here because (insert reason why here)" MWO doesn't somehow magically bypass how statistics work.

So again, if you can come up with ideas on how to mitigate that 2-4% without screwing it up for the other 96% then lets hear it.

You know I love you... but a bell curve isn't the only statistical possibility. It just states with a large enough sample size things should fall into that curve, however... there can be and are negative and positively skewed curves.

If you remember, PGI posted that during their testing they saw they had skewed results and had to adjust matchmaking/elo accordingly in order to have fair-er games. Skews happen.

THOUGH I will say I agree with you. The results given are highly suspect, are based on individual observations and are clearly super subjective. No where close to being fact. I have played and on games where I"m not helping the team or I'm just playing piss pore I've had some 12-0 beatings (very recently) but that just happens. Life happens. Any warrior that doesn't experience it at some point is probably either a liar or blessed by God (and if that's the case, stop wasting your time playing a computer game and go out and help someone).

THE RHETORIC MUST END!

Edited by Daisu Saikoro, 11 February 2014 - 05:33 AM.

[tayhimself]

Sandpit, on 08 February 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

I'll go ahead and paste this in this thread as well as the other "MM sucks" threads I'm posting in

that 96%? They aren't experiencing stomps as often as the 2-4% in the extremes. So when you come up with an idea other than "MM sucks, PGI sucks, I'm uninstalling" that helps mitigate those stomps for the 4% that doesn't throw everythign out of whack for the 96% that AREN'T experiencing that, we might have something to talk about.

Meanwhile "PGI sucks, fix this!" and "Arggghhh I'm uninstalling because every game I play (which is a flat out lie) is a stomp!" does nothing to help figure out how to improve anything.


P.S.
There's no arguing against the bell curve figure I posted. It's a factual statistical truth. There's always that 2-4% at extremes (which is incidentally where we get the whole "There's always an exception to the rule") so please don't bother with the "Well that doesn't apply here because (insert reason why here)" MWO doesn't somehow magically bypass how statistics work.

So again, if you can come up with ideas on how to mitigate that 2-4% without screwing it up for the other 96% then lets hear it.

From your posting history it seems like you're a minor genius in your own mind. There is absolutely nothing that says that games are normally distributed centered around an even match scores for the majority of the population. Please don't post things that you don't have the first clue about.
For instance, you could have a normal distribution that is centered around a 12-4 match score if that is the most common value. You could have a uniform odistribution. Remove your misinformation, and instead use the usual handwaving when defending PGI. At least then you can't be proven to be clearly wrong.

[Decoy3]

Sandpit, on 08 February 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

I'll go ahead and paste this in this thread as well as the other "MM sucks" threads I'm posting in

that 96%? They aren't experiencing stomps as often as the 2-4% in the extremes. So when you come up with an idea other than "MM sucks, PGI sucks, I'm uninstalling" that helps mitigate those stomps for the 4% that doesn't throw everythign out of whack for the 96% that AREN'T experiencing that, we might have something to talk about.

Meanwhile "PGI sucks, fix this!" and "Arggghhh I'm uninstalling because every game I play (which is a flat out lie) is a stomp!" does nothing to help figure out how to improve anything.


P.S.
There's no arguing against the bell curve figure I posted. It's a factual statistical truth. There's always that 2-4% at extremes (which is incidentally where we get the whole "There's always an exception to the rule") so please don't bother with the "Well that doesn't apply here because (insert reason why here)" MWO doesn't somehow magically bypass how statistics work.

So again, if you can come up with ideas on how to mitigate that 2-4% without screwing it up for the other 96% then lets hear it.

I don't understand how you can attempt to do this.

Imagine this scenario: I'm a professor and several of my students complain that my tests are too difficult. I draw a picture of a standard distribution and say, "This means 95% of you students are all within two standard deviations of the mean, those of you complaining are the other 5%, my tests are fine and most of you are passing so shut up and stop complaining."

Let's just say that, for example, the mean is a score of 34/100 and the standard deviation is +/-4. Some 98% of my students have a score of 46 or lower - practically no one is passing my tests. Or the mean could be 90 points and everybody is acing the class.

The point is that dropping a picture of bell curve and then saying "everything is fine. BECAUSE SCIENCE!" is pointless. You don't have any real data to support your claims that I've seen in this thread. You don't have any data at all. Just the fact that over a large enough sample size, and given a normal distribution, X% of people will fall within Y standard deviations of some unknown mean.

Your post doesn't mean anything.

Edit: Wow, that post just got quoted a bunch of times.

Edited by Decoy3, 11 February 2014 - 06:00 AM.

[Reitrix]

JSparrowist, on 10 February 2014 - 05:40 PM, said:

Sandpit and his goons maintain the status quo by having no life which allows them to accumulate 6000+ posts and drive out all new blood and squash opinions that differ than theirs.

I hope you're proud of yourself. You are killing this community.

Wait, so we've evolved from being PGI's White Knights to Sandpits Goons?

[Joseph Mallan]

JSparrowist, on 10 February 2014 - 05:40 PM, said:

Sandpit and his goons maintain the status quo by having no life which allows them to accumulate 6000+ posts and drive out all new blood and squash opinions that differ than theirs.

I hope you're proud of yourself. You are killing this community.

So having an opinion counter to the rage(as in what the cool kids want) opinion, asking for a quantifiable amount of data and not just a single screen shot is being unreasonable?

Reitrix, on 11 February 2014 - 06:07 AM, said:

Wait, so we've evolved from being PGI's White Knights to Sandpits Goons?

A much more noble Cause to follow!

[VXJaeger]

I think this thread is starting to give me brain cancer

[Willard Phule]

VXJaeger, on 11 February 2014 - 06:37 AM, said:

I think this thread is starting to give me brain cancer

.....which is kind of sad, considering that there WERE a lot of intelligent, objective posts in it. Until the Goons came along and whizzed all over it.

[Reitrix]

Willard Phule, on 11 February 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

.....which is kind of sad, considering that there WERE a lot of intelligent, objective posts in it. Until the Goons came along and whizzed all over it.

Sure was a lot of intelligent discussion being had here. Started with that incredibly well thought out, politely presented factual original post.
Then came the hordes of "yes men" nodding and agreeing with it.
Then came those with the evil dissenting opinions and their cruel counterpoints.

[Willard Phule]

Go figure.

All I can say is that only time will tell whether or not PGI takes anything from these discussions and implement it to make a better game.

Since those that refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, it doesn't look good. PGI is kind of like that kid that keeps touching the hot stove.

Oh well.

Edited by Willard Phule, 11 February 2014 - 07:45 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

VXJaeger, on 11 February 2014 - 06:37 AM, said:

I think this thread is starting to give me brain cancer

Don't you have to posess grey matter before the probability of this happening?



J/K I couldn't resist that set up Jaeger.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 11 February 2014 - 07:57 AM.