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[Spheroid]

Sure, they are great if you want a super fast, super heavy AC-20 carrier. You can't do that in an Orion.

[Bishop Steiner]

Spheroid, on 10 February 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

Sure, they are great if you want a super fast, super heavy AC-20 carrier. You can't do that in an Orion.

'Roid-Raging YLW

[oldradagast]

Good question, and as others have said, everyone needs to find their own niche - what mechs work for them.

A friend of mine loves Stalkers. He's great with them and can make even silly builds work well. But he also is bad with jump jets and only went through those mechs just to have "finished them."

Me? I can't stand the Stalker. Every time I'm in one, I feel like I have a neck-brace on and am trapped in a coffin while something just outside my field of view kills me. That being said, they are good mechs - just not good for me.

Anyway, good luck!

[DarthPeanut]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 February 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

depends on what they mean by lesson. Though I don't have hard facts, if they are simply reducing the thrust and burst from the initial JJs and forcing them to mount multiple to get much benefit, I am all for it as the 1JJ poptart is the cheeziest crap in the game. I am all for THAT meta being kicked in the nads. And TBH, much as I love my Victor, it might be a little too agile for an assault. At the very least you should have to load up on the JJs to get real benefits, so that the tonnage spent on them IS a legit tradeoff to firepower lost, which ATM (and since closed beta) it has never been.

I am not into the poptart tactic, so I can deal with a JJ adjustment on it. I just really do not want to see them reduce the speed or amount it can twist.

The way I read his post it seemed a little open ended to what the changes might be.

Jman5, on 10 February 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

I think even if you're not very good with jump jets, they provide enough out-of-combat advantages that you should always have at least one. Think about Canyon Network. Being able to jump up a ledge without having to run all the way over to a ramp is great asset.

Canyon, Alpine, Terra Therma, Tourmaline are all full of annoying little ledges that are not scalable in an assault. I'd recommend a JJ even if you never use them in combat.

I know it wasn't your question, but I think you should reconsider your stance on Jump Jets.

This. I really like that advantage of JJ to move around. It sucks to have to run around Canyon sometimes without.

The JJs also help when you misstep cause you are a rookie like me and need to turn/ twist fast to try to spread damage/ retreat. Haha.

[BrockSamsonFW]

After mastering the Orions the next mech I bought was the Victor 9B. I wanted something similar but with a feature that the Orions didn't have. The Heavy Metal is probably the best mech for me but since I don't want to buy that I settled on the Victors as the next best thing. So far I like it. I don't use the jumpjets in combat very often but I love them just to get around easier on most maps. I think it's worth it and plan to buy them all to master them.

[Storky]

Hi, I using VTR-9b with XL385 , 1jj , 1ac20 and 2LL, and I am newbie in mwo gold ;p.

First of all just 1 jj gives increased cross-country capability, which especially good for newbies who often making mistakes.

Second - just 1jj still allows to act like a jump sniper at close range.

Third - scouting jumps among the ridges to spot some empty triangles.

That's all, but just for 1 ton its a great benefit, much better than 2kmh with engines.

Playing more I noticed that xl385 is too fast, need much more skill, map and obstacle knowledge to realise the speed. And with heavy engine it is expensive to afford all 4 jj. With 1jj Victor elevating as big old zeppelin, its gives nothing in melee and those cliffs on Canyon Network requires 2-3 jumps = 2 lost alfa-strikes due to delay.

So, probably VTR with XL350- and 4 jj is more mobile than VTR with xl385.

Here goes a history: most of Victors in random using long range gauss+2ppc or other sniper package, many using Dragon Slayer chassis and many of them suck and dying fast (still never spectated victor ..). Close range brawlers are very unique.

Well the best resistance faced by mid-range setups with dual ac5 and ppc.

I remember the clash vs DS with jj, 2 ac5 and 2 ppc and smt else. Those guy was good, we attacked frenzy each other, I with my speed and he with JJ. He jumped over my head, he use the turning in the air, he was jumping before my aimed to ct shoot remaining same agile in the air as on the ground (i suppose its due to more jj). At the end he was legged, legs consumed so much damage aimed to the torso when ussually on assaults leg armor remains unused. My 270 VTR with 270m package was much stronger than his but his agility made us even.

[lsp]

If you're not going to use JJ, than don't buy a victor.

[xMEPHISTOx]

Roadkill, on 10 February 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

... without Jump Jets?

No.

Roadkill, on 10 February 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

So if there's 0 chance that I'd ever jump in a Victor, are they even worth buying?

And again, No.

The only reason to even buy a Victor imo is because it has speed/maneuverability and better jump jets than that of the Highlanders. Without those 2 factors I would not even bother with it.

[Roadkill]

Thanks all, I appreciate the feedback. I ultimately decided to forego buying the Dragon Slayer during the sale since the consensus seems to be that Victors are mostly special due to their jump jets, which I wouldn't use. I'll stick with my Cataphracts, Orions, Stalkers, and Battlemasters. :-)

[Wildstreak]

@Roadkill, you do not have to use JJs.
If you try, there are 2 ways to use them.

Method 1 - add a pair for quicker turning. Your aim is not to go high, rather when turning hit the Spacebar for a bit and the JJs help turn quicker than regular movement with legs. I did it when I ran a Treb-5J for a bit. Never used my pair of JJs for moving, jumping high places, etc., just turning quicker.

Method 2 - fit as many as possible to get over obstacles, jump to shooting positions land bound Mechs cannot get to and perform aerial combat maneuvers. The first 2 are easy, just take a JJ Mech like your Prhact-3D, go to Testing Ground on maps and find places you can jump to. Remember them when going into a match. The third takes skill and practice.

I don't agree with the someone who said to do things like hop a hill to get away from someone. Getting away from people is more about speed the JJs. I have been chasing JJ Mechs in a grounded one, they hop a hill, I just find a way over or around it to not lose them. Speed gets you away from people, not JJs.

I left out Jump Sniping because I figure you know about that.

[Ialti]

No. You shouldn't. But not because of some shifty, nebulous meta principle--you shouldn't because you don't like jump jets. Why pay for them when you can get basically the same mech without them for less money?

As to the meta... I still haven't stopped piloting--and liking--my Awesomes.

[Marmon Rzohr]

the Misery and the stalkers are a better choice if you don't want to use JJs, IMHO

Although the Victor is still a good mech without JJs, it's got good hardpoints and hitboxes.

[MeiSooHaityu]

If you have you ever wanted a pretty durable Heavy mech with descent firepower, and are willing to sacrifice some manuverability to get it, then the Victor is right for you.

The Victor is walking that line between Heavy mech and Assault mech. If you want to tank damage, I wouldn't take the Victor, but if you wanted an anti-Heavy/Medium mech brawler, I think it is a nice option.