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[Fate 6]

It's one of the most versatile mechs we have, what's everyone running on this bad boy?

I've been using 2ML,3SRM6,SRM2,STD260 because I love my CN9-A like the son I don't have yet.

[Escef]

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...613a5050db355e2

2xLL, 4xStreak, BAP, 2 tons ammo, 3 jets, endo, 300 XL, 14 DHS, 368 armor. Not an inspired build, but it eats lights like no one's business, and it can easily vulture off a damaged big boy. At first I ran it with the stock 275 STD engine, 10 DHS, and 340 ferro armor, but the 300 XL bumps speed, armor, and heat dissipation.

My 2H(P) build would also work on a 2D2. Same as my first above, but junk the left arm LL, a Streak rack, and 3 DHS for an AC2 with 2 tons ammo and an AMS.

[focuspark]

SHD-2D2 "Twinkerbell"

She's a monster

[Escef]

focuspark, on 04 November 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

SHD-2D2 "Twinkerbell"

She's a monster

You know you can move those 2 extra sinks into the engine, right?

[FireSlade]

My SHD-2D2 aka ShadowBack http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c534ae441a5c833 Basically it is a HBK-4G with more armor, ammo, and JJs.

[Bishop Steiner]

It is indeed one of the most versatile chassis we have ever been gifted. And this is why I refuse to take ti to extremes with over-engineing, or over-gunning it. And because it tanks an XL like an absolute boss, the only way I could justify a standard engine is to fit an AC20 to make a ShadowHunch^tm, which I refuse to do on such a versatile chassis.

IMO, the sweet spot is between a 275-300XL with full JJs. Gotta use that ballistic, since the hunch stays no matter what (and since it has made my XL no more vulnerable, oddly enough).

SHD-2D2
I have maintained a 5 to 1 KDr with an average of 550 damage (best 798) as long as I keep this config. Literally any swap, and I drop in stats precipitously. So, I no longer tinker.

Have to say the only things that could improve this mech IMO, is to have 2 more JJ, and or ECM capability. But not sure where I would mine the tonnage from.

FireSlade, on 04 November 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

My SHD-2D2 aka ShadowBack http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c534ae441a5c833 Basically it is a HBK-4G with more armor, ammo, and JJs.

as much as I hate to "help" with that heathen build, , moving the CT ammo to the head would be better.

[FireSlade]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 November 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

It is indeed one of the most versatile chassis we have ever been gifted. And this is why I refuse to take ti to extremes with over-engineing, or over-gunning it. And because it tanks an XL like an absolute boss, the only way I could justify a standard engine is to fit an AC20 to make a ShadowHunch^tm, which I refuse to do on such a versatile chassis.

IMO, the sweet spot is between a 275-300XL with full JJs. Gotta use that ballistic, since the hunch stays no matter what (and since it has made my XL no more vulnerable, oddly enough).

SHD-2D2
I have maintained a 5 to 1 KDr with an average of 550 damage (best 798) as long as I keep this config. Literally any swap, and I drop in stats precipitously. So, I no longer tinker.

Have to say the only things that could improve this mech IMO, is to have 2 more JJ, and or ECM capability. But not sure where I would mine the tonnage from.


as much as I hate to "help" with that heathen build, , moving the CT ammo to the head would be better.

It would be better and that may be the place that I placed it on mine but 7 rounds goes so quickly that I will never have to worry about it other than in my legs.

[N a p e s]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 November 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

It is indeed one of the most versatile chassis we have ever been gifted. And this is why I refuse to take ti to extremes with over-engineing, or over-gunning it. And because it tanks an XL like an absolute boss, the only way I could justify a standard engine is to fit an AC20 to make a ShadowHunch^tm, which I refuse to do on such a versatile chassis.

IMO, the sweet spot is between a 275-300XL with full JJs. Gotta use that ballistic, since the hunch stays no matter what (and since it has made my XL no more vulnerable, oddly enough).

SHD-2D2
I have maintained a 5 to 1 KDr with an average of 550 damage (best 798) as long as I keep this config. Literally any swap, and I drop in stats precipitously. So, I no longer tinker.

Have to say the only things that could improve this mech IMO, is to have 2 more JJ, and or ECM capability. But not sure where I would mine the tonnage from.


as much as I hate to "help" with that heathen build, , moving the CT ammo to the head would be better.

I've seen you post this a couple times and I gotta give credit where its due! This thing is awesome! The big difference for me was switching to the UAC of which I am generally not a fan. However for some reason it really clicks well on the Shads.

For the moment I trade 1 ton of UAC5 ammo and a single jump jet to upgrade the engine to a XL300. I do like the extra speed but it may be temporary until I unlock speedtweak.

Anyway, thanks again for the inspiration.

[focuspark]

Escef, on 04 November 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

You know you can move those 2 extra sinks into the engine, right?

Why would I do that? Right now they act as crit soakers if the torso armor gets opened up. I'd rather spread crit damage across 2 heat sinks and 2 SSRM than just a pair of SSRM. With 4 items, I'm more likely to lose the torso (and the mech) before I lose a weapon.

[focuspark]

FireSlade, on 04 November 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

My SHD-2D2 aka ShadowBack http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c534ae441a5c833 Basically it is a HBK-4G with more armor, ammo, and JJs.

Just so you know, I look for this build in matches then just out range and harass the hell out of it.

Same thing I do when I see multi PPC Stalkers when I'm in COM-TDK but in reverse. I just under-range the PPC - you get really, really mad Stalker pilots when you do that.

[Shadey99]

I've been running the Blaster SHD-2D2. I run the same type of build right now on my 5M...

[FireSlade]

focuspark, on 04 November 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Just so you know, I look for this build in matches then just out range and harass the hell out of it.

Same thing I do when I see multi PPC Stalkers when I'm in COM-TDK but in reverse. I just under-range the PPC - you get really, really mad Stalker pilots when you do that.

Depending on my weapon ranges, I will usually stay with the pack using my speed and maneuverability to avoid damage while staying grouped up. There have been games though where the lack of range absolutely hurt my performance but that usually is when my team becomes chicken and decide that they are going to stand in one place sniping. Then it is a matter of time before I can even help and by then I am alone to take on the entire enemy team.

[Escef]

FireSlade, on 04 November 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

Then it is a matter of time before I can even help and by then I am alone to take on the entire enemy team.

That or your team won the snipe war and you're stuck on mop up duty.

[FireSlade]

Escef, on 04 November 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

That or your team won the snipe war and you're stuck on mop up duty.

Very rare that that happens. Usually they pick a spot and stop moving then the enemy flanks and its me and maybe another trying to hold them off while no one notices the swarm of enemies behind them until it is too late. Either way very boring.

Edited by FireSlade, 04 November 2013 - 06:31 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Shadey99, on 04 November 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

I've been running the Blaster SHD-2D2. I run the same type of build right now on my 5M...

just one question Shadey, as it's something I never understand....

What fun is it to run same/similar builds on the variants? It just sounds boring to me, TBH. It's one reason I don't get running a BoomJager on my DD or on a Firebrand when I can do it on the 1S and use those for far more interesting/fun build experiments.

If I can't build extremely different mechs on the different platforms, i sell them off as soon as they are mastered.

[Mr David]

The "Shotgun Seeker" on mechspecs is a solid build. I started running the Mothm4an variant which has XL 300, LBX (3T ammo), 2ml, 4 SSRM2 (2T ammo), BAP, and 1 JJ. Had to drop a bit more armor than I wanted, but its ok. I ran an XL275 with AC10, but I like the LBX better in this role. If you can last until the end of a match and keep some ammo, you have the speed and proper weaponry to run around and kill everything still left. This must be as brutal to lights as a Streaktaro and can hang with other mechs too.

[Shadey99]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 November 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

just one question Shadey, as it's something I never understand....

What fun is it to run same/similar builds on the variants? It just sounds boring to me, TBH. It's one reason I don't get running a BoomJager on my DD or on a Firebrand when I can do it on the 1S and use those for far more interesting/fun build experiments.

If I can't build extremely different mechs on the different platforms, i sell them off as soon as they are mastered.

Really I dislike all my Shadowhawks, I do better in my Cicadas than these things. I always seem to attract the entire enemy teams fire even if I'm standing next to an Atlas or a Highlander.

I played around with several builds before coming up with that on my 2D2 and then decided I'd go and use it on my 5M as well since the hardpoints in question are so similar. It worked better than a streak build for me as I always seemed to end up against a Jager or Atlas and a streak build just does not have the kick to stand toe to toe with either of those (and running away usually means dying because I was just not fast enough). I don't sell mechs, but once I have mastered the Shadowhawks I think mine will start to gather dust.

[Bishop Steiner]

Shadey99, on 05 November 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:

Really I dislike all my Shadowhawks, I do better in my Cicadas than these things. I always seem to attract the entire enemy teams fire even if I'm standing next to an Atlas or a Highlander.

I played around with several builds before coming up with that on my 2D2 and then decided I'd go and use it on my 5M as well since the hardpoints in question are so similar. It worked better than a streak build for me as I always seemed to end up against a Jager or Atlas and a streak build just does not have the kick to stand toe to toe with either of those (and running away usually means dying because I was just not fast enough). I don't sell mechs, but once I have mastered the Shadowhawks I think mine will start to gather dust.

sorry to hear that. Sounds like a playstyle thing, i guess. My Shads are without a doubt my favorite mechs, and might finally be the first mech to have a legit chance of toppling the Jager from it's perch.

[focuspark]

Shadey99, on 05 November 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:

Really I dislike all my Shadowhawks, I do better in my Cicadas than these things. I always seem to attract the entire enemy teams fire even if I'm standing next to an Atlas or a Highlander.

I think players like me might be part of your problem. Right now, when I see a shadowhawk on the field I make two assumptions:
A) The player is just playing the shadowhawk because it came with the Phoenix package and therefore doesn't know how to pilot the mech.
B) The mech will be easy pickings because of A), and therefore I focus on the shadowhawk (actually any Phoenix mech)

Edited by focuspark, 05 November 2013 - 09:34 AM.

[FireSlade]

Shadey99, on 05 November 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:

Really I dislike all my Shadowhawks, I do better in my Cicadas than these things. I always seem to attract the entire enemy teams fire even if I'm standing next to an Atlas or a Highlander.

I played around with several builds before coming up with that on my 2D2 and then decided I'd go and use it on my 5M as well since the hardpoints in question are so similar. It worked better than a streak build for me as I always seemed to end up against a Jager or Atlas and a streak build just does not have the kick to stand toe to toe with either of those (and running away usually means dying because I was just not fast enough). I don't sell mechs, but once I have mastered the Shadowhawks I think mine will start to gather dust.

Sorry to hear also. Actually the Shadow Hawk while being one of my favorites is just about the only medium that I do well in. It might be the JJs or that it is 55 tons for armor and weapons that makes it so good for me. I am primarily a heavy pilot, doing my best in heavies so that may be a factor for me; ironically I suck in assaults except the ones that pilot like heavies.