285 replies to this topic

[ByteHacker]

As we all know, medium mechs serve no purpose.

They are not fast enough to run away from a fight and come out intact and not strong enough to pack a punch.

Medium mechs really need a buff. Especially the Centurions

I propose MOAR speed and MOAR armour and MOAR everything

[Dymlos2003]

You had a lucky game in a medium congrats.



But yeah people need to learn to medium.

[TehSBGX]

*inserts comment about S-hawks being Meta*

[ByteHacker]

I don't recall SRM cents being the meta for a very long time.

Edited by ByteHacker, 15 February 2014 - 02:43 AM.

[TehSBGX]

I guess you had a good spotter with tag then?

[ByteHacker]

No, it was a solo drop.

[TehSBGX]

Then the DM in the sky rolled a 20 for you. Hell if I have any other explanation.

[HeavyRain]

Ahhh, nothing like a good humblebrag to start the weekend. Keep em coming.

[Jman5]

I wish I could get within 270 meters before violently exploding.

[Bagheera]

ByteHacker, on 14 February 2014 - 11:28 PM, said:

I don't recall SRM cents being the meta.

TehSBGX, on 14 February 2014 - 11:30 PM, said:

I guess you had a good spotter with tag then?

Edited by Bagheera, 15 February 2014 - 02:41 AM.

[Noesis]

SRMs broken, Lasers under effective, over sized chasis.... Mediums *sigh* ..... ZZzzzz ..... I'd still rather pilot a highlander at the moment, more XP and CBills in preperation for CW and XP needs. Which seems sad as Mediums can be loadsa, loadsa, fun.

Anyhow, *YAWNS*, maybe APRIL and tonnage restrictions might lift the tarpaulin off them? Who knows?

[B1zmark]

Noesis, on 15 February 2014 - 03:15 AM, said:

SRMs broken, Lasers under effective, over sized chasis.... Mediums *sigh* ..... ZZzzzz ..... I'd still rather pilot a highlander at the moment, more XP and CBills in preperation for CW and XP needs. Which seems sad as Mediums can be loadsa, loadsa, fun.

Anyhow, *YAWNS*, maybe APRIL and tonnage restrictions might lift the tarpaulin off them? Who knows?

SRM's aren't broken - they just aren't OP anymore. Neither are lasers bad. Mistaking weapon being balanced for being bad is 2 entirely seperate things. looking at raw stats, here is the top 10 weapons in order of DPS/Ton
SMALL LASER
MACHINE GUN
SRM 2
MEDIUM LASER
SML PULSE LASER
SRM 4
SRM 6
STREAK SRM 2
LRM 5



Here is the top 10 Alpha/Ton
SMALL LASER
MEDIUM LASER
SRM 2
SRM 4
SRM 6
SML PULSE LASER
STREAK SRM 2
MED PULSE LASER
SRM 6 + ARTEMIS
LRM 5


AC/20's, UAC5's, PPC etc. all rank extremely low in terms of efficiency-per-ton but are dominant currently due to their utility and play style.

It's worthwhile noting that buffing and nerfing weapons arbitrarily should only be done as a last resort when something is massively wrong (like SRM's splashing) and instead the play style causing weapons to be effective should be addressed instead.

Edited by B1zmark, 15 February 2014 - 04:29 AM.

[ego1607]

Yep, although I bever broke 1000 in my hunchie, I got some 800-900 damage games. Still that does not prove mediums are OK since my AVERAGE score with them is half of the score I get with heavys, assaults or even some lights.

[LoneMaverick]

One of the current Champion Stalkers on your team did 606 damage, therefore I deem atleast 85% of your enemies were either AFK or playing without a mouse, good job dealing some decent damage with a Centurion.

Now then, Mediums still handicapped yes? Decrease torso twist/turnspeed on Heavies and Assaults yes?

[TehSBGX]

Bagheera, on 15 February 2014 - 02:40 AM, said:

Okay I derped and thought he said Lrms. At least I admit I messed up.

[Joseph Mallan]

Khobai, on 15 February 2014 - 05:57 AM, said:

its called a heavy mech

mediums are garbage right now because of their whacked scaling and pinpoint aiming. its very easy to hit a medium mech in its side torso and wipeout its XL. And mediums have to take XLs to compete because they cant bring enough firepower otherwise.

removing the 40 point Pin Point alphas would go a long way to fixing mediums.

I do 60 point Alphas with out complaint. fix convergence and 40 point AC Alpha's won't be a complaint any more.


FYI
I Lucy.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 15 February 2014 - 06:37 AM.

[rolly]

I like my oversized Shadowhawk, the emaciated Griffin and Beaker-like Wolverine. Sure scaling is way off, but it reminds me of the miniatures!

I don't see anything wrong with the mediums. Its a particular style of play to use them effectively. Is it just me of this reminds me of WoT when medium tank drivers would complain about how their medium isn't good enough when they're playing it like a heavy.

Edited by rolly, 15 February 2014 - 06:44 AM.

[Khobai]

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I do 60 point Alphas with out complaint. fix convergence and 40 point AC Alpha's won't be a complaint any more.

well yeah I meant 40 points of damage to one location. like dual ppc/ac20 or dual ac/20, etc...

if the damage spreads out its a non-issue. like four large lasers is a non-issue, why PGI felt the need to limit them with ghost heat is beyond me.

[Tangelis]

Khobai, on 15 February 2014 - 05:57 AM, said:

And mediums have to take XLs to compete because they cant bring enough firepower otherwise.

Since when? Be creative!

[Khobai]

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Since when? Be creative!

Since SRMs were nerfed. SRMs were low weight weapons that allowed mediums to run standard engines and still pack a punch (Centurion with three SRM6s used to be beast). Now that SRMs are absolutely terrible in order to do well you have to take multiple ballistics or PPCs which requires running XL in order to go fast enough. Because if youre not going at least 90kph theres no point to playing a medium IMO... since heavies can get upto 80-85kph easily enough.

Edited by Khobai, 15 February 2014 - 07:13 AM.