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[Skinless2]

Sarna is your friend OP, the omnimech loadout's and hardpoints were listed long before this info came to light and frankly I would have been pissed if the prime loadout was changed.

[Khobai]

Craig Steele, on 18 February 2014 - 05:50 PM, said:

They said omni pods will have quirks, not disadvantages?

From the Command Chair Post:

"To balance this out, each OmniPod can be given its own set of quirks that will apply to any 'Mech that has it equipped.

• Each OmniPod has a set of quirk modifiers.
  
  • These are positive and negative values that are added to the respective value in the base configuration"

My understanding is that the values assigned are respective to the base configuration, omnipods that are better than the base omnipods will get negative quirks, while omnipods that are worse than the base omnipods will get positive quirks. Which means the Thor will get negative quirks for using the config B omnipods. The Thor could very well end up being one of the worst mechs in the game.

Edited by Khobai, 18 February 2014 - 06:43 PM.

[Sephlock]

Skinless2, on 18 February 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

Sarna is your friend OP, the omnimech loadout's and hardpoints were listed long before this info came to light and frankly I would have been pissed if the prime loadout was changed.

Are you pissed that the arms look so similar when they really shouldn't?

[Bishop Steiner]

Khobai, on 18 February 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

From the Command Chair Post:

"To balance this out, each OmniPod can be given its own set of quirks that will apply to any 'Mech that has it equipped.

• Each OmniPod has a set of quirk modifiers.
  
  • These are positive and negative values that are added to the respective value in the base configuration"

My understanding is that the values assigned are respective to the base configuration, omnipods that are better than the base omnipods will get negative quirks, while omnipods that are worse than the base omnipods will get positive quirks. Which means the Thor will get negative quirks for using the config B omnipods. The Thor could very well end up being one of the worst mechs in the game.

while possible, the trend on here to complain about a feature before we even know what it will be is rather tiresome.

Also it is "YOUR UNDERSTANDING" that the non stock will be negative,. but that is not what is actually said. It is simply sated that the pods will have positive AND negative quirks. Anything more is pure speculation.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 18 February 2014 - 06:46 PM.

[Craig Steele]

Khobai, on 18 February 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

From the Command Chair Post:

"To balance this out, each OmniPod can be given its own set of quirks that will apply to any 'Mech that has it equipped.

• Each OmniPod has a set of quirk modifiers.
  
  • These are positive and negative values that are added to the respective value in the base configuration"

My understanding is that the values assigned are respective to the base configuration, omnipods that are better than the base omnipods will get negative quirks, while omnipods that are worse than the base omnipods will get positive quirks. Which means the Thor will get negative quirks for using the config B omnipods. The Thor could very well end up being one of the worst mechs in the game.

If it's "added" it can hardly be a negative to the overall chassis performence.

What you may be hinting at is that its not maximum potential because the Devs have built in some balance mechanism's, but thats hard for either of us to argue without additional detail.

[Sybreed]

PGI really wants you to own AT LEAST 2 Summoners so you can swap pieces.

[Khobai]

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If it's "added" it can hardly be a negative to the overall chassis performence.

you can add negative numbers.

[Sephlock]

I'm actually not sure I'd mind having 3 hardpoints if Clan tech was untouched (as opposed to heavily nerfed, as all indications seem to point to).

[Tesunie]

Sybreed, on 18 February 2014 - 06:58 PM, said:

PGI really wants you to own AT LEAST 2 Summoners so you can swap pieces.

As far as I understand their latest concept, you don't have to own the whole mechs. You can buy just the "pods" instead and switch those out (and sell ones you aren't using). When you buy a mech though, it comes with the pods for that configuration, just like a stock mech comes with all the weapons and engine that goes on that mech when you buy it.

Then, just like how we can switch weapons out, you could switch owned "pods" with another one, giving you more customization.

(Pods are from type, as in each pod has x hard points. I don't mean pod as in, "this pod has an LBX10 in it", but as "it comes with 1 Ballistic point in this pod".)

[Skinless2]

Sephlock, on 18 February 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

Are you pissed that the arms look so similar when they really shouldn't?

Not sure why we need my opinion on the art but alright.

Can't say that I am. The art team has been exceptional in the re-imaginings of the mech's up to and including the clan mech's IMO but things have been changed and we should expect that practice to continue, so far it looks like a Summoner to me and some tweeks to the arms are not going to change the fact that it's a Summoner. Not to mention we don't know how the other configs are going to look so expect more examples of the artist's leaving their marks.

(edit: spelling)

Edited by Skinless2, 18 February 2014 - 07:27 PM.

[Sybreed]

Tesunie, on 18 February 2014 - 07:22 PM, said:

As far as I understand their latest concept, you don't have to own the whole mechs. You can buy just the "pods" instead and switch those out (and sell ones you aren't using). When you buy a mech though, it comes with the pods for that configuration, just like a stock mech comes with all the weapons and engine that goes on that mech when you buy it.

Then, just like how we can switch weapons out, you could switch owned "pods" with another one, giving you more customization.

(Pods are from type, as in each pod has x hard points. I don't mean pod as in, "this pod has an LBX10 in it", but as "it comes with 1 Ballistic point in this pod".)

if this is true, then my faith in PGI is somewhat restored. I only wish they would make proper clan mechs, not just a watered down version of it. I don't really see the point in owning clan mechs if they're pretty much IS mechs with a different way they can be configured. Hell, I don't even find the mechlab part of MWO to be so enjoyable, so I guess that argument had been lost on me from the start.

[Craig Steele]

Khobai, on 18 February 2014 - 07:08 PM, said:

you can add negative numbers.

Glass half empty?

[Belorion]

Have they stated what hard points it will have? No? Well then quit saying the sky is falling.

[Khobai]

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Have they stated what hard points it will have? No? Well then quit saying the sky is falling.

They did. Which was the whole point of my post.

[Bishop Steiner]

Khobai, on 18 February 2014 - 09:40 PM, said:

They did. Which was the whole point of my post.

actually, they stated what the PRIME will have. Summoner of 3050 had 4 other variants.
And eve those listed specifically state "subject to change".

AKA....... quit being a chicken little.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 18 February 2014 - 09:45 PM.

[CheeseThief]

I'm going to be very sad if PGI don't release cutom omni-pods that let me make that Thor varient from Mech Assault.

A pair of custom torso sections that have 2-4 fixed MG's in them each for maximum dakka.


So many options with the proposed custom non-cannon omni-pods that let mechs have stupid amounts of crap guns without letting players swap them out for meta compliant builds.

[Alex Warden]

Skinless2, on 18 February 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:

wrong quote, why ever happened over night?... but i think you get what i´m talking about -regards, Alex

no... since you level them just like we level our current mechs...

they stated that the "core" of the mech, so the center of an omni, counts as the variant you get your XP on... if you switch pods from variant A to your variant B, variant B still is handled as being variant B for level/ skill purposes...

so you buy all 3 variants still, but can swap the omnipods between them... you can level all 3 with the same loadout basically (unless there are different weapons in the CT or head), but they will still be 3 different core-mechs...

if there is some new info that negates my post, pls give me a link

Edited by Alex Warden, 19 February 2014 - 01:22 PM.

[Skinless2]

Alex Warden, on 19 February 2014 - 02:38 AM, said:

no... since you level them just like we level our current mechs...

they stated that the "core" of the mech, so the center of an omni, counts as the variant you get your XP on... if you switch pods from variant A to your variant B, variant B still is handled as being variant B for level/ skill purposes...

so you buy all 3 variants still, but can swap the omnipods between them... you can level all 3 with the same loadout basically (unless there are different weapons in the CT or head), but they will still be 3 different core-mechs...

Wait what? wrong post I think alex.

[Belorion]

Khobai, on 18 February 2014 - 09:40 PM, said:

They did. Which was the whole point of my post.

Link? All I see is something listing the weapons which is not the same thing. What stock mech to date only has the hard points of its load out?

[RiotHero]

Sephlock, on 18 February 2014 - 07:10 PM, said:

I'm actually not sure I'd mind having 3 hardpoints if Clan tech was untouched (as opposed to heavily nerfed, as all indications seem to point to).

This^

I can think of many times I've done just fine with 3 or less hardpoints used on my mech and have 650 all the way to 1000dmg games.

2xERPPC
2xML/1xAC20
1xLBX/2xML
2xERLL
2xLRM20/1xTag
2xAC5/1xLL (over 1000dmg)

I'm sure plenty have done well with 2xgauss or 2xAC20

Now think about how much easier it will be with powerful clan tech. People need to think more about playstyle, and tactics than just number crunching and hardpoints. I've seen ravens with 2 lasers get over 1000dmg.