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[Khobai]

Having 3 hardpoints wouldnt be a big deal if it had 2 ballistic or 2 energy.

Its the fact it has 1 of each hardpoint thats silly lol.

[Ngamok]

Just bought Thor Package. Might upgrade to Ryoken in the future (before June).

[Craig Steele]

RiotHero, on 19 February 2014 - 07:30 AM, said:

This^

I can think of many times I've done just fine with 3 or less hardpoints used on my mech and have 650 all the way to 1000dmg games.

2xERPPC
2xML/1xAC20
1xLBX/2xML
2xERLL
2xLRM20/1xTag
2xAC5/1xLL (over 1000dmg)

I'm sure plenty have done well with 2xgauss or 2xAC20

Now think about how much easier it will be with powerful clan tech. People need to think more about playstyle, and tactics than just number crunching and hardpoints. I've seen ravens with 2 lasers get over 1000dmg.

less weapons = more ammo

[Alex Warden]

Khobai, on 19 February 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

Having 3 hardpoints wouldnt be a big deal if it had 2 ballistic or 2 energy.

Its the fact it has 1 of each hardpoint thats silly lol.

it will all be about combining omnipods, so from 3 different loadouts you get the best fitting combination... i think that´s what the trick will be about omnis... all my statements solelybased on how i understood previous infos...

so what we need now is infos on the hardpoints of the other 2 "variants" for each omni mech...

Skinless2, on 19 February 2014 - 04:00 AM, said:

Wait what? wrong post I think alex.

strange, when i posted this it was the right quote... i´ll try to fix it

Edited by Alex Warden, 19 February 2014 - 01:26 PM.

[Syndrome Stoned]

honestly read sarna.net the innersphere calls it the Thor because it has a simple yet highly effective load out, and if none of you have played MW4 the "prime" in MW4 was this
Alt. Config. F This version of the Summoner carries an Ultra AC/5 and ER Medium Laser in each arm, backed up by a torso mounted LRM-10 and ER Medium Laser. BV which has plenty of hard points for all those complaining about it, my guess is if PGI was any kind of smart they would make this one of the 2 variants they put out with the launch of the clan mechs. besides you can make the prime summoner strong, ER PPC Gauss/ Streak SRM-6, great long range and great short range

[Ryoken]

Well this is a nobrainer, as they did on several other mechs simply split the hardpoints. Like the AC5 of the SHD turned into 3ballistic slots they can make the Summoner: 2ballistic, 2energy and 2missile... or something.

[SgtMagor]

The only thing I need! to know is if I can mount gauss, and ac's AKIMBO?

[Shiro Matsumoto]

And frankly, something with a Clan- Ultra AC20 (2x20 Damage) / ER-PPC (15 Damage) and some LRMs, running nearly 90 Mph, with 5 jumpjets is NOT harmless...

Edited by John McFianna, 28 March 2014 - 01:49 AM.

[Truesight]

You guys sure noticed, that the Hardpoints on there match exactly the Weapons loaded, meaning:

The MASAKARI only has 4 Laser Hardpoints and 1 Missile Hardpoint!

This would be ridiculous, they are going to change that very soon (if we go by IS Standard, an ERPPC means 2-3 energy hardpoints, LRM15 means 2 Missile hardpoints and at least 1-2 Ballistic hardpoints for the LBX10)

That would bring the Thor to 3E, 2M, 2B aka 7 Hardpoints, which is not a bad thing.

Just think about it.

Besides: i run my TDR-5S with 1 ERPPC, 1 AC/10 and 2 LRM 5. And it can be a beast, i expect nothing else from the Summoner.

Edited by Truesight, 28 March 2014 - 02:40 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Oh noez! You can't cheese? Guess you'll have to learn something new then. Or just sit there and beg....

Edited by cdlord, 28 March 2014 - 02:52 AM.

[EyeOne]

As a test I have been using the Thor build on my Thunderbold-5S for a while now. It's extremely entertaining to pop people with an ERPPC and then follow it with the LBX, however it's not very effective. It's gotten a few kills but I don't think I've ever done more than 300 damage in a match with it. I don't think the stock Thor will be a good mech (though it will be faster and have JJs)

All that said, I'm still using because it's fun as hell.

Edited by EyeOne, 28 March 2014 - 05:40 AM.

[Damocles69]

If you can't see how this mech will be a monster I can't help you.

7crit investment for ferro, an xl that is not a time bomb, the ability to switch out hard points, 2 crit dubble heat sinks, oh ya.... and jump jets

Seeing as how in this game mech with JJ > mech without jjs.

It will be strictly better than most mechs

[Damocles69]

And most likely, the best mech in the clan package

[Mad Ox]

Well 70 ton mech with

350 XL engine
Ferro but no Endo WHY CLANS WHY!!! could have sooo much more armor oh well
Oh and 5 Jump Jets

Yeah its weapon space going to be a bit limited. Just need to amke those weapon slots count.

It and Loki always drove me nuts back in day playing Battletech armor on both was rediculously low. Personally I took both gave them Endo and turned weight savings into armor and they were like new mechs. Appearently Jump Jets and Endo are a clan no no probably not strong enough lore wise. Hmm never noticed that before almost all jump jet mechs in the list dont have Endo even my old fav the Executioner is standard. only one doing a quick look that did have endo was Dragonfly.

[3rdworld]

Damocles69, on 28 March 2014 - 06:05 AM, said:

And most likely, the best mech in the clan package

Depends on the stats for clan ER Smalls. If they are near TT 5 dam / 2 heat, the Black hawk will likely be a canidate.



~52 damage alpha @ 180m. TT would only be 24 heat. MWO would probably be in the 30 or so range. But 22 DHS should be able to handle it.

[Hawk819]

I'll run the Summoner (Thor) but exclusively, I'm running my Daishi. aka Heimdall. I've already got two variants made in Heavy Metal Program. Ones based on the Variant B (Heimdall 2) and the other is based on the Widowmaker (Heimdall 3).

[Devil Fox]

The Thor will be fine... the XL350 gives it speed, the 5 hardwired JJ give it mobility, and the way they've done the hardpoint system means a good combination of weapons from the variants. Whether you go slightly missle heavy or energy in the arms is up to the user... what DOES limit the Thor is the 22t of pod space which isn't much, and the fact we will need to tweak the armour levels up a touch from standard numbers.

Still a 81kph pre tweak mech that mounts jumpjets, can run around with twin ERPPC's, twin ERML, then a SSRM6 for backup... it'll be hot, it'll be brutal, and god help the Innersphere if they see me!

[Foxfire]

Honestly... with three hard points, you can do three heavy hitting weapons no problem. Remember that you get to play around with UAC's of ranges other than 5 for the ballistic point.

[Hawk819]

3rdworld, on 28 March 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

Depends on the stats for clan ER Smalls. If they are near TT 5 dam / 2 heat, the Black hawk will likely be a canidate.



~52 damage alpha @ 180m. TT would only be 24 heat. MWO would probably be in the 30 or so range. But 22 DHS should be able to handle it.

Where can I get that program? Thanks.

[FupDup]

3rdworld, on 28 March 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

Depends on the stats for clan ER Smalls. If they are near TT 5 dam / 2 heat, the Black hawk will likely be a canidate.



~52 damage alpha @ 180m. TT would only be 24 heat. MWO would probably be in the 30 or so range. But 22 DHS should be able to handle it.

Can you say heat?