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[DONTOR]

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...bddbacf341e2c29
Particularily effective against enemy mech pilots that are under the inflence of mind altering substances simply fire into the air creating "sick" light shows rendering them helpless, and an easy kill for your teammates. Use the sharp WUB WUBs of the SPLs to your advantage.

Finding Pilots that are under the influence of mind altering substances is easy! Here are some helpful tips.
1: are they using a flamer?
2: are they piloting a Golden Boy?
3: Do they have 6 AC2s?
4: Is there a NARC equiped?
5: Ask if anyone has a command module before the game starts, if yes tell them you have a wonderful mind altering expierience taking place in the caldera (or mainstage)
6: TBD

For added immersion equip the new disco ball cockpit items. (MC only)

[Whatzituyah]

DONTOR, on 28 February 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...bddbacf341e2c29
Particularily effective against enemy mech pilots that are under the inflence of mind altering substances simply fire into the air creating "sick" light shows rendering them helpless, and an easy kill for your teammates. Use the sharp WUB WUBs of the SPLs to your advantage.

Finding Pilots that are under the influence of mind altering substances is easy! Here are some helpful tips.
1: are they using a flamer?
2: are they piloting a Golden Boy?
3: Do they have 6 AC2s?
4: Is there a NARC equiped?
5: Ask if anyone has a command module before the game starts, if yes tell them you have a wonderful mind altering expierience taking place in the caldera (or mainstage)
6: TBD

For added immersion equip the new disco ball cockpit items. (MC only)

My reaction --->

I feel like haveing actual weapons on board along with those would be better *and no I dont mean just machine guns and a srm 2.

[LauLiao]

I don't think it's the other pilots that are using "mind altering substances".

All the firepower of half a Jenner and as easy to hit as a barn broadside! Extremely limited mobility as well!

Edited by LauLiao, 28 February 2014 - 02:35 PM.

[TercieI]

It's better than a lot of Boar's Head builds. At least it uses a STD.

[FactorlanP]

I'm utterly speechless...

[Krinkov]

I believe he is pointing out the ridiculousness of not letting us use heat neutral mechs. It is insane that we need to invest 50+ tons into heat sinks to make a heat neutral build.

[SgtMagor]

[DONTOR]

Well alot of mechs being heat neutral would take away from what makes Mech Warrior unique. And that is thinking before you shoot i.e. heat.
Its not serious, I was just wondering how many SHS it would take to get heat neutral with a small energy loadout, figured it would be alot so decided to use the 100 ton BH.
It took 54 SHS which equals 27 true DHS (which we dont have) so it basically has more potential cooling power than any other mech... i guess.

[stalima]

Terciel1976, on 28 February 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

It's better than a lot of Boar's Head builds. At least it uses a STD.

high five for you!

[Bishop Steiner]

my Lyran Arty Spotter is actually HEAT NEGATIVE. That's right, even in the fiercest battle, I never break a sweat and my beer stays cold. Unfortunately, the LyRan ScOuT HuNteR yhat is usually paired with it does still have some heat issues, but the Engineers at Hesperus II have been made aware of it, and promise us when they figure out how to make REAL DHS, that it too should be combat viable.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 February 2014 - 06:24 PM.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

BOAR'S HEAD is my favorite heat neutral Boar's Head. Sure it's a bit underweight, but it's fast and it's perfectly cool and it has way more BAPs than you could ever need.

[kesuga7]

Drop AMS if you want more speed
BOAR'S HEAD - 50 single heatsinks - 6 medium lasers - AMS - 608 armor - 51.7 KPH

BOAR'S HEAD - AC 5 , 6 mediums - 45 heatsinks - 592 armor - 48.1 kph


heres more of these heat neutral builds

Spoiler

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high armor version
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5f6c583b74d530f
Note:25 Double heatsinks with 6 medium pulse gives you = 49% heat efficiency
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3 mid pulse 3 mids
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...22e47367685337a
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ac 10 , 6 mediums , 45 single heatsinks , shoot for a minute
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...36a425e111115b8
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ac 5 version - shoot for 1:49 seconds
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...1ab9a235a50d252
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Lrm 15 - 720 lrm ammo - 6 mediums - - shoot for 1:34 seconds with only mediums
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...612203877160dc5
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4 mid pulse 2 mediums - shoot for 57 seconds
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...bc6b91577c2bc84
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4 mediums 2 mid pulse - shoot for 2 minutes
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2746fe2567ccbca
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6 mediums - 53.5 kph - shoot for 6 minutes
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ca9cc51658f9dab
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AMS version that goes 50 kph with 6 minue shooting time
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...3b88f4793a42628
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srm 6 version - shoot for 3 minutes with only 6 mediums - 1 minute if using srm 6
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6d4afeaa55e7d8c


***http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5c77c38e59fa20d
6 medium lasers , 98% heat effeciency , high armor , 53 kph

It certainly can be difficult to make heat neutral builds but i have noticed some chassis due to their split weapon types may be able to pull it off like this here dragon
DRG-5N - Lb 10x - 2 machine guns - 1 large laser - 1 medium laser - srm 4 - 15 double heatsinks - 89.1 kph - shoot for a minute
DRG-5N - uac 5 - 2 machine guns - 1 medium pulse laser - 1 large laser - 1 srm 4 - 89.1 kph - 16 doubles

Or here this Catapratch 2x with 63% cooling
CTF-2X - 3 medium lasers - 1 uac 5 - 2 srm 4 - 76.4 kph - 18 doubles - 63% cooling efficiency

Or the battlemaster - shoot for 31 seconds with all weapon groups
BLR-1D - 4 medium laser - 1 large laser - 2 machine guns - 1 uac 5 - 20 doubles - 63%heat effeciency - 66 kph - 480 armor

Edited by kesuga7, 28 February 2014 - 08:04 PM.

[Deathlike]

Best 100 ton mobile turret ever...

[kesuga7]

Krinkov, on 28 February 2014 - 02:54 PM, said:

I believe he is pointing out the ridiculousness of not letting us use heat neutral mechs. It is insane that we need to invest 50+ tons into heat sinks to make a heat neutral build.

nope
FS9-A - 8 small lasers - 17 double heatsinks - 145 kph - 1 jumpjet - 224 armor - shoot 7 small lasers for 57 seconds until overheat , or 37 seconds with all 8


drop the jumpjet and go 140 kph for another heatsink - shoot all 8 for 42 seconds
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ffd865d27615a51


5 medium laser version with 69% cooling and able to shoot 5 medium lasers for 45 seconds before overheat
but only going 137 kph
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...610bd5009b729f3

Jenner version with same loadout
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d7d1a2e3df70b54

Edited by kesuga7, 28 February 2014 - 10:40 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

kesuga7, on 28 February 2014 - 08:24 PM, said:

nope
FS9-A - 8 small lasers - 17 double heatsinks - 145 kph - 1 jumpjet - 224 armor
drop the jumpjet and go 140 kph for another heatsinks

53% is not exactly heat neutral. Especially since in TT 8 Slaser would be cooled by 8 single Heatsinks. Even with MWO fire rates (2.25 cooldown, .75 Bream Duration) meaning 3 shots per "TT Turn", that would be 24 heat per 10 seconds, requiring 13 DHS to be totally Heat Neutral (extra 2 pts of heat for running). Thats 4 less DHS than your build to achieve FULL HEAT NEUTRALITY, not 53% heat efficiency. Even at 1.4 for the last 7 DHS, that build should be totally heat neutral (equivalent of 29.8 Heat Sinks).

[kesuga7]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 February 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

53% is not exactly heat neutral. Especially since in TT 8 Slaser would be cooled by 8 single Heatsinks. Even with MWO fire rates (2.25 cooldown, .75 Bream Duration) meaning 3 shots per "TT Turn", that would be 24 heat per 10 seconds, requiring 13 DHS to be totally Heat Neutral (extra 2 pts of heat for running). Thats 4 less DHS than your build to achieve FULL HEAT NEUTRALITY, not 53% heat efficiency. Even at 1.4 for the last 7 DHS, that build should be totally heat neutral (equivalent of 29.8 Heat Sinks).

Yeah it definitely isn't heat neutral but 61% (pilot efficiency) heat on a light was the best i could come up with

Though it certainly would be fun to have TT cooling; but balancing that with all the convergence/TT to Gameplay would be quite a feat to have it done correctly

it would sadly make SRM's dead with its current hit registration issues leaving just energy or ballistic boating/max builds

just outright overpowering the more heat neutral build and maybe perhaps not and the heat neutral build survives due to being able to shoot forever lol
anyway all speculation :|

This is the maximum number of heatsinks you can fit with 6 Weapon Slots being Used in MWO
XL 400 Will equal 51 Heatsinks with 0 slots left and 7 Tonns left
55 Heatsinks - 6 flamers - 80 armor
BOAR'S HEAD - 6 flamers - 55 single heatsinks - 80 armor

Edited by kesuga7, 28 February 2014 - 11:15 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

kesuga7, on 28 February 2014 - 08:48 PM, said:

Yeah it definitely isn't heat neutral but 61% (pilot efficiency) heat on a light was the best i could come up with

Though it certainly would be fun to have TT cooling; but balancing that with all the convergence/TT to Gameplay would be quite a feat to have it done correctly

it would sadly make SRM's dead with its current hit registration issues leaving just energy or ballistic boating/max builds

just outright overpowering the more heat neutral build and maybe perhaps not and the heat neutral build survives due to being able to shoot forever lol
anyway all speculation :|

yeah, which is why I am a huge advocate of non pinpoint convergence and situational CoF. Sadly I am in the minority, but instead people want to bandaid everything by nerfing damage, DoT weapons, etc. Sad, really.

[IceCase88]

Amen, Bishop. They could divert those resources to other content and start pushing things out faster. It would solve a vast majority of QQing about the meta, weapons balancing, etc.. They could readdress pinpoint damage at a later date after they perfected it.

[Bishop Steiner]

IceCase88, on 01 March 2014 - 01:08 AM, said:

Amen, Bishop. They could divert those resources to other content and start pushing things out faster. It would solve a vast majority of QQing about the meta, weapons balancing, etc.. They could readdress pinpoint damage at a later date after they perfected it.

. I have no issue with getting nailed with perfect aim by an ac20 dumping damage to one spot, one shot. I do dislike 2ac20, or ac20 and 2 PPC and whatever else hitting the same spot with magical ease. Now if someone want's to stand near perfectly still, use adv zoom, etc, OK, the tradeoff is I am shooting them back too. But moving, overheating, jumping (and the unpowered part) should all instill CoF, as should firing beyond "optimal" ranges. And they need to solve convergence with HSR

[NRP]

LOL, you better hope this thing never runs into my Golden Boy.