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[clantic]

It uses up all slots and all tonnage. If you've been itching to find a good use for the LPL, try this build out, it's pretty nice. AC 10, LPL, 2 jump jets, XL235 Endo-steel, ferro fibrous armor, DHS
Try it out and tell me what you think
*edit*
through trial and error I updated the armor a bit making the legs stronger. But seriously guys, try this build out, it's way better than the ac20 +ml build. I've tried both builds, and this one is just way better (at least for me)
The new LPL is good, with a range AND heat buff! And don't forget the damage buff a few months ago... it's a good weapon now.
http://BJ-1

Edited by clantic, 09 March 2014 - 06:40 PM.

[Grey Black]

clantic, on 09 March 2014 - 04:47 AM, said:

It uses up all slots and all tonnage. If you've been itching to find a good use for the LPL, try this build out, it's pretty nice. AC 10, LPL, 2 jump jets, XL235 Endo-steel, ferro fibrous armor, DHS
Try it out and tell me what you think!
http://BJ-1

Nobody? Okay. I'll take a crack at it.

First of all, if your one arm is taken out, you are effectively useless beyond a meatshield. If you can spread your hardpoints out and perhaps put your LPL or AC10 in different places, that would increase your effectiveness tenfold.

Second, the LPLs range is really too short to do much of anything. A standard large laser might do you better. The tonnage saved can max out your armor and give some leftover.

Third, to me, the FF is a waste. Remove it and free up slots.

[clantic]

Grey Black, on 09 March 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

Nobody? Okay. I'll take a crack at it.

First of all, if your one arm is taken out, you are effectively useless beyond a meatshield. If you can spread your hardpoints out and perhaps put your LPL or AC10 in different places, that would increase your effectiveness tenfold.

Second, the LPLs range is really too short to do much of anything. A standard large laser might do you better. The tonnage saved can max out your armor and give some leftover.

Third, to me, the FF is a waste. Remove it and free up slots.

Yeah, but if you're skillful enough you can use one arm as a shield and protect the other. You can do some mid range harass going back and forth between cover, and you get better damage when it's on one arm. I've only once had my important arm taken out in the many many games played with this thing, and that was because I was almost dead anyway and made some mistakes. The LPL's were buffed and are now pretty good. The range and heat matters my friend.

[Spheroid]

I don't see how this is better than using medium lasers.

[Grey Black]

clantic, on 09 March 2014 - 09:10 AM, said:

Yeah, but if you're skillful enough you can use one arm as a shield and protect the other. You can do some mid range harass going back and forth between cover, and you get better damage when it's on one arm. I've only once had my important arm taken out in the many many games played with this thing, and that was because I was almost dead anyway and made some mistakes. The LPL's were buffed and are now pretty good. The range and heat matters my friend.

I will agree that LPLs are better than they were; I am still not 100% convinced that they are better than medium lasers, however.

And agreed on the using one arm as a shield; the first mech I mastered was my Centurion CN9-A, followed shortly thereafter by the Centurion CN9-YLW. In fact, I wouldn't be all that averse to you putting the LPL in your right torso as opposed to the arm. My problem is that all the enemy has to do is take out the one arm and you are relatively useless.

One other thing that wasn't in my previous post was that you fell into a rather large trap: your legs weren't fully armored and you kept ammo in there. That's a big mistake; most experienced players will aim for the legs on mechs if they expect they can get an ammo explosion on you and know certain builds don't keep full armor in their legs.

As such, I would recommend this build: it grants better jumping potential, better armor, better range, and keeps your idea of the lopsided build. I would still personally go for medium lasers and an AC20, but that's personal preference.

EDIT: Forgot to add the link. WHOOPS!
[smurfy]http://mwo.smurfy-ne...24bbb0c1528d746[/smurfy]

Edited by Grey Black, 09 March 2014 - 04:37 PM.

[Ruccus]

clantic, on 09 March 2014 - 09:10 AM, said:

Yeah, but if you're skillful enough you can use one arm as a shield and protect the other. You can do some mid range harass going back and forth between cover, and you get better damage when it's on one arm. I've only once had my important arm taken out in the many many games played with this thing, and that was because I was almost dead anyway and made some mistakes. The LPL's were buffed and are now pretty good. The range and heat matters my friend.

The Blackjack's arms have a very small hit box which although makes it harder to destroy (I rarely lose an arm on my Blackjack) it also makes them pretty useless as a shield. The build in the OP though is just as much or moreso an 'AC10 build' as a 'Large Pulse Laser build'.

If you're looking to rely on the LPLs for your damage output I'd suggest something like this BJ-1 build instead. I've found it works fine and you can easily swap it to a PPC build if you want.

And as mentioned previously, I agree that for almost all Blackjack builds Ferro-Fibrous armour isn't worth the loss of slots.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

BJ-3 is a far better LPL build for the Blackjack.

[Grey Black]

Ruccus, on 09 March 2014 - 05:42 PM, said:

The Blackjack's arms have a very small hit box which although makes it harder to destroy (I rarely lose an arm on my Blackjack) it also makes them pretty useless as a shield. The build in the OP though is just as much or moreso an 'AC10 build' as a 'Large Pulse Laser build'.

If you're looking to rely on the LPLs for your damage output I'd suggest something like this BJ-1 build instead. I've found it works fine and you can easily swap it to a PPC build if you want.

And as mentioned previously, I agree that for almost all Blackjack builds Ferro-Fibrous armour isn't worth the loss of slots.

The problem I have with your builds is that you only equip one JJ, which may not provide enough mobility. Perhaps add the extra 0.5 tons to your leg armor to ensure you're not going to get legged? Other than that, i got nothing and am actually curious about those builds.

[Ruccus]

Grey Black, on 09 March 2014 - 05:48 PM, said:

The problem I have with your builds is that you only equip one JJ, which may not provide enough mobility. Perhaps add the extra 0.5 tons to your leg armor to ensure you're not going to get legged? Other than that, i got nothing and am actually curious about those builds.

I find one JJ fits my style (I don't poptart, I just use the jump jets for hillclimbing and shortcuts), but yes you can (and I've played some games that way) strip the leg armour down to 28 and the head to 16 to add one more jump jet (on either build I linked).

Edit: Misread you as wanting another jj not no JJs. 35 armour's plenty (that's less to get at my XL engine and kill me than leg me where I'm still fighting but limping) and I've rarely had legging problems at 28 points.

People see an LPL or PPC fire from me and know I've got to be running an XL engine so they generally go straight for the torso.

Edited by Ruccus, 09 March 2014 - 05:57 PM.

[PenitentTangent]

Here is my reworking of your build. It is more focused on the LPL than anything else.

Ruccus, on 09 March 2014 - 05:42 PM, said:

If you're looking to rely on the LPLs for your damage output I'd suggest something like this BJ-1 build instead. I've found it works fine and you can easily swap it to a PPC build if you want.

And as mentioned previously, I agree that for almost all Blackjack builds Ferro-Fibrous armour isn't worth the loss of slots.

It is very similar to Ruccus's build, but I drop the MGs for the much needed DHS and I add one more JJ for that extra Oomph.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...753a87a43574823


Here is a more sniper type build that works in the handy dandy BAP and AMS as well as full armor on legs and full JJs.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...82428f5542a3f3b

Also, If you do not have Endo just yet, here's a nice build with MPLs. It runs very cold.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d30cc87786f72ac

Edited by PenitentTangent, 09 March 2014 - 06:29 PM.

[clantic]

Thank you for all your posts. I'll admit that the armor needs to be reworked, and I already buffed up the legs. But seriously guys, try this build out. I get an AVERAGE of 500 damage a game, and close to 900 when I do well. I COULD put the LPL on the torso... but I prefer the mobility of having it on the arm, risk vs reward choice.

[clantic]

Grey Black, on 09 March 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

I will agree that LPLs are better than they were; I am still not 100% convinced that they are better than medium lasers, however.

And agreed on the using one arm as a shield; the first mech I mastered was my Centurion CN9-A, followed shortly thereafter by the Centurion CN9-YLW. In fact, I wouldn't be all that averse to you putting the LPL in your right torso as opposed to the arm. My problem is that all the enemy has to do is take out the one arm and you are relatively useless.

One other thing that wasn't in my previous post was that you fell into a rather large trap: your legs weren't fully armored and you kept ammo in there. That's a big mistake; most experienced players will aim for the legs on mechs if they expect they can get an ammo explosion on you and know certain builds don't keep full armor in their legs.

As such, I would recommend this build: it grants better jumping potential, better armor, better range, and keeps your idea of the lopsided build. I would still personally go for medium lasers and an AC20, but that's personal preference.

EDIT: Forgot to add the link. WHOOPS!
[smurfy]http://mwo.smurfy-ne...24bbb0c1528d746[/smurfy]

That's a good build, and maybe I'll play test it to see if I like it, but you gotta test out the LPL build if I do