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[Barkem Squirrel]

With the tournaments last year and even looking at todays, how in the world am I in the top 1000 at all in any bracket, and 200 in one.

One item to remember is that none of us really knows our ELO. So we know that on average we are winning about half of our matches. In other words staying in the same ELO range.

Then you recognized some of the top 10 ranked players and say, wait a second I drop with them either way too much or from time to time.

Why do I have an issue with being ranked way higher than I thought? I have never played a game with more than 18 or so frames per-second.


These are my questions:

• How many people log in for the tournament?
  
• Do higher ELO players still play during the tournament?
  
• Am I just having better matches during the tournaments?
  
• Do the tournaments affect the number of 4 man teams that I drop with?
  
• Do the tournaments create a greater pool of players, during the event?
  
• How well do players that normally drop in 12 or 4 man groups, do solo?

I know someone will say get a better computer, that is irrelevant to the post. Look at it like this, with 10 to 17 frames per-second I may be out scoring most people. Do you really want me to get a new computer?

Look at your experience this weekend and comment. We may find an interesting pattern through the comments.

[Mr Butterworth]

I was surprised with myself too. I would consider myself average at best at this game. Yesterday I was able to get to about 58 in hunchbacks after about 12ish games. now I've dropped down to about 70 something. I'm positive elo has a big factor. There is absolutely no way I'm the 70 something-ish best hunchback player in MWO. I could see it meaning that I'm high up in my elo bracket possibly on the verge of the next bracket. Still pretty cool to see that I'm not horrible at the game.

[Asrrin]

I literally started playing about 1-2 weeks ago. I put an effort into mastering the basics of the Centurion I got for free during the 5-win giveaway. I managed to place 128 for Centurions, which shocked me greatly as I still think I'm absolute garbage at the game. I was assuming lots of people would be playing the Cent, so I thought for sure I'd be placed lower.

Edited by Asrrin, 02 March 2014 - 09:13 PM.

[Xtrekker]

I opted in and didn't play a single game. So, no, I'm not surprised.

[GoManGo]

Well fellas I hate to burst your bubbles but I don't think there are more than 20,000-30,000 players left playing this game=MWO.And I would assume maybe 5000-8000 players opted in for this tournament = go do the math+ wacky ELO givesyou the answer=LOW PLAYER COUNT.

[Merc Montego]

I'd be surprised if there are that many still playing. All day Sunday I dropped with pretty much the same people (either on my side or the other) and given that I only won may 10 out of the 60-70 matches I played, I can't imagine ELO is doing its job. Add to the fact that I ranked anywhere in the top 1,000 tells me most folk have left for greener pastures. All that's left are mostly the die-hards that get a kick out of grinding out matches in contests like these.

[Sug]

I have a score of 38 in the Light category and am ranked 2,437th.

It looks like around 2,500 people that Opted in played at least one game in a light mech. If about 2,500 people are ranked in every category that means if every player that opted in exclusively played one category that only 27,500 people opted in to the tournament.

That would be my high end estimate, worst case there are only 2,500 people that opted in and played a game in every category. Unlikely of course

My guess is that most people have games played in 2-3 categories so I'd say around 10,000 people opted in. These seem to be similar numbers to what we had for other tournaments.

Edit: Gonna go play a single game in some of the categories and see where I'm ranked.

Edited by Sug, 02 March 2014 - 11:40 PM.

[PhoenixFire55]

There are two types of people ... those who think they are better than they are and those who think they are worse than they are. It is in fact good if you are the latter ...

Being droppped with people from top 10 for a couple of times doesn't mean much, but being dropped with them all the time is a true sign that your Elo scores are more or less same. That said, I still think that people who do competitive 4-mans exclusively have higher Elo than most people from top 10s as I see them pugging very often.

There are also a lot of good players worty of top 10s who didn't play this time, but regardless, if you are in top 100 in any category you know you are a good player.

Personally, I didn't opt in. Tourney format has too many flaws. There isn't anything fair in doing kill stealing and damage farming with arty/airstrikes, even less so in unlimited amount of games one can play. Obviousely people who can play for 72 hours more or less non-stop are gonna have higher chances to win ...

[ScrapIron Prime]

I'm surprised, actually. My best 10 games in a cicada included four matches where I cleared 6 kills and 5 assists. I was indeed on fire. But I was unable to get within 400 points of the top ten. I'd love to see twitch streams from pilots who did make the top ten.

[Water Bear]

ScrapIron Prime, on 03 March 2014 - 05:22 AM, said:

I'm surprised, actually. My best 10 games in a cicada included four matches where I cleared 6 kills and 5 assists. I was indeed on fire. But I was unable to get within 400 points of the top ten. I'd love to see twitch streams from pilots who did make the top ten.

That is odd. I was #1 cicada Friday and Saturday and had 3-4 6 kill games.

I am surprised by my result. I started playing MWO at the end of January / beginning of February and ended 4th in Cicadas.

[Zerberus]

Barkem Squirrel, on 02 March 2014 - 06:20 PM, said:

These are my questions:

• How many people log in for the tournament?
  
• Do higher ELO players still play during the tournament?
  
• Am I just having better matches during the tournaments?
  
• Do the tournaments affect the number of 4 man teams that I drop with?
  
• Do the tournaments create a greater pool of players, during the event?
  
• How well do players that normally drop in 12 or 4 man groups, do solo?

Well, I opted in for the first time just to see how high I can get goofing off in my assaults, spent most of friday in teh top 10, and am still firmly in the top 100 without a solo drop since. Played 10 matches and mostly got stomped in a few mediums, but still well within the top 1000 from 200th or so on Friday... That alone makes me think that I`m either significantly better than I thought I was, or something is different about the playerbase this weekend...


1. If you mean "opt-in", I`D guess maybe 10-15% of the playerbase, many still prefer to drop as groups and a lot of people (myself included) actually don`t like these SP "tournaments". If you mean actual logins to the game, I`d say the number is probably about the same, maybe 5-10% higher...

2. I generally saw the same people that I normally do, FWIW. But I also got the chance to see a few of the other guys on the leaderboard on my team, and our performances in the same match were generally similar...

3. My matches seem to be about the same general quality, though there is notably less teamplay and there seems to be an odd influx of trial mechs in all classes....

4. Very possible, since a lot of people that would normally drop as a group are /were dropping solo.

5. Also quite possible, that would help explain the number of trial mechs, people trying to get into the game "cheap".....

6. Can`t speak for the others, but I do just about the same overall. If I cared about winning the assault class instead of just getting an overall baseline for my performance I could probably still be in the top 10, as I had the time to play all day but just don`t care about "I won" e-peening and think the MC would probably be better spent on someone else, anyway.... maybe I`ll sneak in a few rounds tonight, but I don`t really think so.

Edited by Zerberus, 03 March 2014 - 06:42 AM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

23rd isn't bad

[Faith McCarron]

It's critical to remember what the rankings indicate. I ended the tournament at #20 in the assault category. That doesn't mean I'm the 20th best assault player in the game, or even the 20th best assault player out of those who opted in, just that I was 20th best at accomplishing the goals set out by the scoring format while playing against people in or near my Elo bracket.

Although, that last part is a bit sketchy. I still don't understand matchmaker. One game I could be dropping in a match with Twinky or Schopenhauer, the next there were 3 joystick noobs in trial stalkers on my team.

[Charons Little Helper]

The tourneys should really be from your 1st 10 games - or best 10 our of your first 15. As it is - the top 10 are mostly just people who grind all weekend.

Personally - I got several matches which - if I'd gotten 10 of them - I'd have won (griffin). I'm sure many other players are in the same boat, and just didn't have the time to grind for 10 of those occasional awesome matches.

Oh - and artillery shouldn't count.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Water Bear, on 03 March 2014 - 06:35 AM, said:

That is odd. I was #1 cicada Friday and Saturday and had 3-4 6 kill games.

I am surprised by my result. I started playing MWO at the end of January / beginning of February and ended 4th in Cicadas.

Yes, I noted your early lead and I couldn't close the distance between us. If anything it got worse.

Now I know a lot of people use new or alternate accounts to play tournaments, but that might confirm that ELO played a rather huge part in the rankings. I only have one account, and my ELO has got to be pretty good. Perhaps that kept me from being a contender? (The question being whether it figured into our scores or merely meant we dropped against matching ELO opponants. Not sure which.)

Edited by ScrapIron Prime, 03 March 2014 - 08:11 AM.

[Deathlike]

Barkem Squirrel, on 02 March 2014 - 06:20 PM, said:

One item to remember is that none of us really knows our ELO. So we know that on average we are winning about half of our matches. In other words staying in the same ELO range.

Some of us do... probably not in the exact number, but you know "relative" to where you stand (unless, you think you're better when you're not).

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Then you recognized some of the top 10 ranked players and say, wait a second I drop with them either way too much or from time to time.

Well, that is how "sync drops" kinda work, as the MM gets the same "players" with the same relative Elo dropping... there's a shot the MM is attempting to "recreate" a similar drop with such criteria. Chances are, they are likely to be in the same/similar Elo bracket you are in.

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Why do I have an issue with being ranked way higher than I thought? I have never played a game with more than 18 or so frames per-second.

Your computer's performance has kind of a little to do with your results (although getting to those results probably would be better with a faster computer).

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• How many people log in for the tournament?

Don't know. There's a bunch, but at this point not as many as the very first tourney AFAIK.

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• Do higher ELO players still play during the tournament?

Yes, but probably not as many due to previous experience or burnout. The difference between this tourney and the previous was that 12v12 was not instituted then.

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• Am I just having better matches during the tournaments?

It depends as it is hard to qualify or quantify them unless you record them for all to see.

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• Do the tournaments affect the number of 4 man teams that I drop with?

To some degree, yes. Then again, those that have no interest in participating will still be dropping the same way as before. Remember that tourney goers are exclusively solo dropping, possibly taking a break in premades or just not playing at all.

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• Do the tournaments create a greater pool of players, during the event?

I would say yes and yet no. I think people that didn't have something to do over the weekend would try it out. On the other hand, most people that have participated before will very likely just play more, so their appearance in matches become greater. Server activity would go up, but not because there's necessarily more people playing... it's more of the same players playing more.

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• How well do players that normally drop in 12 or 4 man groups, do solo?

For the top ranking players, they tend to be better in group/premade drops because their teammates are better. Given that every match can easily go awry when solo dropping (it's not too hard for that to happen), Their performance in the matches will be consistent, it's that generally everyone else is not, thus making it difficult for success every match. Think of it in terms of how Elo is "supposed to work", and it makes a lot more sense (your own constancy will generally dictate success regardless of all the outside factors).

[Sug]

Faith McCarron, on 03 March 2014 - 07:19 AM, said:

I still don't understand matchmaker. One game I could be dropping in a match with Twinky or Schopenhauer, the next there were 3 joystick noobs in trial stalkers on my team.

It takes the Elo scores of the members of your team, averages them, then finds a team with a similar Elo average. A student in their second week of their first statistics class can explain why this is a bad idea.

Deathlike, on 03 March 2014 - 08:04 AM, said:

Don't know. There's a bunch, but at this point not as many as the very first tourney AFAIK.

I don't have my screenshots from the first tourney, since they get deleted if you uninstall MWO (sucks) but I remember being ranked about 4,800 after my first game back then, now after one game i'm ranked about 2,700.

[Bilbo]

Sug, on 03 March 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

It takes the Elo scores of the members of your team, averages them, then finds a team with a similar Elo average. A student in their second week of their first statistics class can explain why this is a bad idea.







I don't have my screenshots from the first tourney, since they get deleted if you uninstall MWO (sucks) but I remember being ranked about 4,800 after my first game back then, now after one game i'm ranked about 2,700.

A lot of people quit bothering with them because of the necessity of grinding all weekend to keep a place.

[Zerberus]

Bilbo, on 03 March 2014 - 10:19 AM, said:

A lot of people quit bothering with them because of the necessity of grinding all weekend to keep a place.

Yep, that`s also why I didn`t ever really take it seriously, because after about 2-2.2k (current scoring) it starts to become less and less about good matches and more and more about getting a perfect match just to push your lowest one off the scoreboard and raise you another 50 points or so.

[Charons Little Helper]

Zerberus, on 03 March 2014 - 11:07 AM, said:

Yep, that`s also why I didn`t ever really take it seriously, because after about 2-2.2k (current scoring) it starts to become less and less about good matches and more and more about getting a perfect match just to push your lowest one off the scoreboard and raise you another 50 points or so.

Exactly - hence my proposal that it should be your 1st 10 matches with a mech.

Plus - from PGI's perspective - it would encourage people to get a variety of chasis.