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[TercieI]

Gas Guzzler, on 07 March 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Cool. Well you guys convinced me. I'm gonna try to wait for the BH to go on sale again. It may be a while its definitely worth it to wait for the sale on this guy, to me anyway.

And yeah, DDC, D, and BH is the way I would go. Would only consider the RS if I wasn't doing the BH.

Just leveled them myself. I went D, RS and D-DC. No interest in the BH because I hated the RS and the BH is that but moreso.

Still think I'd do the three I did, though. The K offers nothing of interest. The Atlas reminds me of the Raven: The D-DC is the best variant even before ECM (like the 3L). The others really are only there to unlock it.

[Amsro]

Terciel1976, on 07 March 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

Just leveled them myself. I went D, RS and D-DC. No interest in the BH because I hated the RS and the BH is that but moreso.

Still think I'd do the three I did, though. The K offers nothing of interest. The Atlas reminds me of the Raven: The D-DC is the best variant even before ECM (like the 3L). The others really are only there to unlock it.

I like 4 ERLarge Laser on the RS. The Boars Head is very risk/reward.

In the end you gotta pilot what you like!

[Cold Cash]

2xLL. Ac20. Lrm20+art. std engine. Brawls well and punishes at mid range. Not a high alpha build obviously but an excellent atlas for any team, especially if u know how to control distance.

[Panzerjotun]

Its OK ...I still run mine now and again. The pinpoint laser arms are nice but not enough to really give it a HERO label. It should have been double AC/20 capable...

[Cactus In The Rear]

The boar's head is an atlas for those who cant stand to be slow and love arm weapons and energy. I personally love it and its one of my highest scoring mechs(and I have all of them).I run an XL400 6ML 1GAUSS 1ALRM10. The 400 is nice because of the huge amount of heatsinks that it allows you to have and so it lets you take better advantage of the arms.

[Terrible Clint]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 March 2014 - 06:56 PM, said:

So with the banshee coming out I've started accumulating C-bills so I'm ready when it is available for c-bills. I've noticed I'm already close to being able to afford a D-DC (obviously the first Atlas I would want to get, and if I have enought C-bills its hard to resist). I usually like to get a hero mech of a new chassis I'm getting into, which is where the Boar's Head comes in. The way I see it, the only good thing about it is that it comes with a XL400 which I can pull off and use for something else.

So for those of you who have bit the bullet and bought this monster, is it worth it? It sounds like going D-DC, D, and RS are all better, so not worth the MC...

Just a side note on the XL400, there seems to be some serious diminishing returns on that big boy. It's a full 10 tons heavier than an XL 360, even 2 tons heavier than an XL 395! I personally will not be buying a mech for that engine, unless of course the mech is too badass to pass up.

[Flak Kannon]

I am not impressed.

I own all the Atlas, and I find this one the least satisfying.

I know I need to leverage the XL400 to XL380 sized engine to move faster than the others that I can slip an XL360 into, but I just don't see a large benefit in the speed bump.

I'd rather drop in a STD325 and Brawl... and even that's not super good in the LRM meta of today, or the AC5/PPC meta of Yesterday.

Save your money, or use that money to buy a Golden Boy or X5 .. AND .. a Ilya Muromets... Or a Wang and a Jester, or a Deaths Knell AND a Dragon Slayer... see where I'm going?

[Mad Ox]

Well the engine is the mech boost not only does it affect top speed it affects ARM and TORSO twist speed.

At 360 and smaller the other atlai have an advantage BH has the quirks lowering its Max Torso and Arm Yaw. As such at 360 and below engine BH will be more limited but once past that 360 size the Arm and Torso Yaw and Pitch speeds go up allowing the BH to twist and lean faster giving it a slight edge when up close.

Combined this gives the arm weapons including torso and arm speed an additional 26 degrees a second to Yaw left and right, and 23 degrees a second to lean back and forth... and considering the mechs arms contain the majority of fire power this is a boost that without using 400 engine your loosing out on.

Does that all in all mean mech is worth the cost, well I got at half price I enjoy it. Others depends on what you want out of it.

[Kaeb Odellas]

I can't figure out what the hell to do with this thing. 6 energy weapons is just too no matter what you put in there, and with only one ballistic and energy hardpoint, there's not a whole lot else you can do with.

[Roughneck45]

Terrible Clint, on 20 March 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

Just a side note on the XL400, there seems to be some serious diminishing returns on that big boy. It's a full 10 tons heavier than an XL 360, even 2 tons heavier than an XL 395! I personally will not be buying a mech for that engine, unless of course the mech is too badass to pass up.

It's because you pick up the extra engine heat sink slot.

But I beg of all of you, NEVER XL your atlas. It is not worth it in any situation.

[Amsro]

Roughneck45, on 21 March 2014 - 05:44 PM, said:

But I beg of all of you, almost NEVER XL your atlas. It is not worth it in any most situations.

fixed

[TercieI]

Amsro, on 22 March 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

fixed

Pretty sure you misspelled "broken."

[Fr0z7y]

the boars head, ddc and as7 k are the 3 atlai i have to get master degrees in them. they are all 3 worth it if you love the ddc. without the ecm atlai feel wrong, but wait until you start playing with it and get different upgrades. u will see. just wait for a sale though if you are worried about price. take 40$ and put it to the side for that atlas, when it goes on sale, buy it. its BEYOND worth it. if you want to see one in action, ill fit it anyway you want me to and you can follow me and watch the carnage.

[Kubatie]

You guys are doing it all wrong...

Basic setup is like this and gives you a double threat.

Left arm: 3 ER Large lasers
Left torso: heat sinks
Center Torso: STD 300
Right arm: 3 medium lasers
Right torso: AC20

Armor: strip some out of the legs
Ammo: 35 ac20 shots
AMS: yes 2 tons ammo

That way if they pick a side torso to destroy they still have to contend with the other side and at 20+ damage that is one nasty package.

Heat efficiency is a problem but is solved via chain fire (ER LG) and by switching to the mediums under 350 meters.

Long range: ERs do the work
At ranges within 400m: I will often aim the AC20, shoot wait till it is 1/2 way there then shoot the lasers. For stationary mechs that does >47 damage. Great for killing stationary lights.

[Kubatie]

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d57d734547517a4

[SgtMagor]

Boars Head, lots of killing, dying, and laughing, what more can you want from a mech. its made to brawl get in close, around 200 meters, so you can pop off the lrm, rinse, repeat!

[rook]

I enjoy my Boar's Head. I think the DDC is better, but I play this one for the C-Bill bonus. Two builds I go with:

20/20/20 (4x ML = 20 dmg, 1x AC20 = 20 dmg, 2x LL ~ 20 dmg)
It runs a little hot, but manageable (maybe not until you unlock double efficiencies).

Boar's Head 2
LRMs are cool now.

I disagree that an XL engine is a good idea in an ATLAS. My side torso get's blown off frequently, but with all the extra firepower in your left arm (as compared to other atlases), you are still pretty effective.

[Suicidal Baby]

No.

[AlmightyAeng]

It's a fun mech and can farm c-bills like a champ. You have to choose whether you wanna be safe with heat and slower, or have more firepower, and run slightly hotter and faster.

Personally, I love this build...though there's a sick part of me that wants to try this.

Edited by Ghost Badger, 25 March 2014 - 07:27 AM.

[Dawnstealer]

If you do get one, yank out the XL. Seriously, when I see a BH, I cackle gleefully, aim for the shoulder, and kill the thing quickly. However, when I find out they're running a standard, it becomes a far more dangerous brawler. Maybe not as fast as a 400XL, but it at least lives long enough to get its money's worth.

I'd think about something like this (if you want to go faster than most Atlases) since SPLs don't have ghost heat:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a4d89a227700646

Edited by Dawnstealer, 25 March 2014 - 07:47 AM.