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[SpiralFace]

Its been my experience that they only retreat to the turrets when they are beginning to loose. Its actually a SMART move on their part. But there are ways around it.

- recognize they are in retreat and rush them before they make it back to the protection of their base.
- Take 2-3 flankers and pick apart their base early in the match while its left undefended.
- Wait them out. As long as you have the kill advantage, you win. So why risk the game by charging into the turrets that have perfect aim when you are all in critical condition mechs.
- Group up, charge in, and prioritize the mech. Match ends when you take out the mech, so just rush in with everyone and target the mech. The turrets can only target one guy at a time. And as long as you kill the mech, you don't need to worry about the turrets.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the turrets as they are right now. They are potent enough to where they matter, but not game breaking enough where 2-3 mechs can pretty much destroy a turret in 10 seconds.

The only thing that needs to change is the LRM locking not being affected by ECM. Everything else is fine.

[Dracol]

So far, I've only encountered one team willing to base cap. It was on Caldera and they didn't survive.

Turrets have add an extra danger to be mindful of. You get caught with tunnel vision and chase a squirrel into base range, you'll pay for it. All short range weapons? well, then you might have to take some damage to take out a turret. Enemy fall back to their base? Gotta coordinate with your teammates to focus down turrets will minimizing damage.

I've really enjoyed my matches on assault since the turrets have been added. Games to tend to last longer, but imho that's a good thing.

Edited by Dracol, 11 March 2014 - 09:57 AM.

[caseysrevenge]

Works like a charm very happy with the turrets

[Grendel408]

Meister AM, on 11 March 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:

Whats a matter? Did your balls drop off or something to the fact that you can't play legit?

Call me an exploiter of tactics then dude LOL! And no... balls are still nicely attached to me, my lady would be rather upset if I lost those... I'd be upset with myself too I use tactics to obtain victory, although sometimes those tactics don't work... but I generally learn what I did wrong. You can guarantee that if I'm the last one standing in Assault Mode and I can make it back to my base... I will be a certified pain in your ass and defend and lure you into a trap if all possible... because victories pay more

[GunnyKintaro 01]

I think they work fine... ive capped many of base with little problem and ive never had a problem killing mechs using them as def... maybe you need to up your game some if there to tuff for you? there are other modes to play if this one is to tuff for you..

[MountainCopper]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 10 March 2014 - 11:19 AM, said:

I've been saying "Defend your base" to the assault cap-warrior whinos for 3 years.

And look - people finally are!!!

They still aren't defending their base... It's just that if they want to be protected by their turrets, they have to be somewhat near their own base.

Vanguard836, on 10 March 2014 - 11:32 AM, said:

Personally I see this as a valid tactic. Makes no sense to not make use of your defensive tactical assets in a combat situation but I digress.

What changes would you like to see done to the turrets to improve the situation ?

It is valid... and smart. And it results in defensive waiting games, where most players hide between their turrets and wait for the enemy to come fight them and the turrets.
I don't like what Assault mode has become in its current state...


My thoughts for improvements? Maybe turrets...

1) could have limited ammo / energy for shooting. And after that they shut down and aren't target-able any more.

2) go offline at the 10 minute mark? Bad idea, for that would just encourage waiting for the turrets to go offline... :/
Remove the damage reduction at the 10 minute mark (don't let they burrow after this point)?

3) go online at the 5 min mark? Also bad, but maybe players learn that some have to defend the base during the 1st few minutes, and then can go join the rest of the team...


Another problem with the way turrets currently are is, that at the end of the battle when the survivors are badly hurt, they often don't have the health left to fight turrets with 150 hitpoints. And which you can only damage when they are shooting you...
So, late game base capping or hunting of the last enemy is sometimes impossible because of the remaining base turrets.

Edited by GoldenFleece, 11 March 2014 - 02:30 PM.

[On1m]

I just find it very interesting that before the introduction of turrets people were bitching about bases being capped and now they are bitching about the mechanic that was introduced in response to their bitching. LOL! LMFAO!

If you don't like turrets go play a different game mode.

[Corvus Antaka]

On1m, on 11 March 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

If you don't like turrets go play a different game mode.

I agree. Sadly, none of the other gamemodes are any better these days. I'm stuck with 3 horrible gamemodes - conquest - cap forever, or blob just like the other 2 gamemodes.

PGI in their efforts to appease all the fatties crying when lights outcapped them have turned everygamemode to pretty much favouring the same setup - a bunch of slow 12 man blobs of jumpsnipers, and even moving to 3x3x3x3 format I fear won't help much if the gamemode design isn't fixed.

[MountainCopper]

On1m, on 11 March 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

If you don't like turrets go play a different game mode.

I am.
I don't play many Assault matches right now... and I won't play another Skirmish match unless I misclick during the selection of the game mode.

Turrets... honestly, what was wrong with Assault and no turrets? If you couldn't stand losing the game to a base cap from time to time, play Skirmish...

Edited by GoldenFleece, 11 March 2014 - 02:29 PM.

[Grendel408]

All I have to say to everyone experiencing issues with base defense turrets is... employ better tactics against the enemy team to prevent them from "hiding" in their base... These turrets as stated quite a while ago are also to be used in CW, right now we're being used as a testing phase for them... Initially we only had 2 maps to deal with them, now we have all Assault Maps equipped with them. Use them or not... they are here and will likely not go away. Maybe the Devs will decide to tune them a bit... but overall I believe the only thing they need to fix is that ECM is not recognized by turrets. The turrets will fire more accurately than any person ever will because it is server controlled... play smart, use teamwork, and enjoy the game.

[Rebas Kradd]

Every legitimate tactic eventually gets called abuse.

[Josef Koba]

I enjoy them (except on Forest Colony; that map seems too small for the number of turrets). The only time I had a problem with them was when a Jager was the last guy on his team on River City and simply went into the buildings in the lower city area by the beach, shut down, and DCd. And honestly, even that was fun trying to hunt him down methodically and destroying turrets one by one. So I enjoyed even that pain.

[Evil Ed]

On1m, on 11 March 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

If you don't like turrets go play a different game mode.

Problem is that there is no interesting mode left to play. Skirmish: Bring as many tons as possible - form a deathball and run into each other. Conquest: Bring a light and run in circles. Assault: Play as skirmish and hope you don't get a map that is terribly one-sided due to turrets. Assault was the only mode that was really interesting, it was the thinking players choice, but with that mode gone this game is a lot less interesting. All because crap implemented to silence those who already got what they needed, skirmish mode that is.

Easy solution is of course to create a 4th mode: Assault without turrets, but I doubt we ever see that.

[Lt Badger]

On1m, on 11 March 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

If you don't like turrets go play a different game mode.

i MUST, thats the reason!

conquest is not my, and i´m missing namy tactical options playing skirmish, but it´s better to play than hide and wait

you are about to lose? attack and you are lost, or fall back, WAIT and hope enemies will try to get you and your turrets and if they are too damaged they will also WAIT until time is up
you are about to win? go ahead and if your mechs are damaged you have pretty chance to get killed by turrets, or fall back and WAIT and you will win anyway

thats the two most important options in assault now, would you say it´s interessting tactic?

Evil Ed, on 12 March 2014 - 06:10 AM, said:

Problem is that there is no interesting mode left to play. Skirmish: Bring as many tons as possible - form a deathball and run into each other. Conquest: Bring a light and run in circles. Assault: Play as skirmish and hope you don't get a map that is terribly one-sided due to turrets. Assault was the only mode that was really interesting, it was the thinking players choice, but with that mode gone this game is a lot less interesting. All because crap implemented to silence those who already got what they needed, skirmish mode that is.

i agree and they got twice now what they wanted.

Evil Ed, on 12 March 2014 - 06:10 AM, said:

Easy solution is of course to create a 4th mode: Assault without turrets, but I doubt we ever see that.

thats what i´m saying in each threads, everyone can play what he prefer and is happy

[Hellen Wheels]

Turrets just stole 5 kills from me. That certainly IS abuse, freaking kill-stealing turrets.

<aside>: there should be land mines, too. I seem to recall a map in NetMech or MW2 that had land mines, or some sort of minefield. It was the scene with the overhead train I think. Yeah. Landmines AND Turrets. THAT would be killer diller.

[Josef Koba]

Hellen Wheels, on 12 March 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

Turrets just stole 5 kills from me. That certainly IS abuse, freaking kill-stealing turrets.

<aside>: there should be land mines, too. I seem to recall a map in NetMech or MW2 that had land mines, or some sort of minefield. It was the scene with the overhead train I think. Yeah. Landmines AND Turrets. THAT would be killer diller.

As I recall, MechCommander (2?) had mines. I used to run into them a lot because I was an idiot.

[Gremlich Johns]

Meister AM, on 10 March 2014 - 01:12 AM, said:

The latest patches with these turrets are getting out of hand. They are being abused and not used for their original purpose. People are falling back into their base making the turrets do all the work while they sit back b/c we all know the LRM turrets are a load of crap. They aren't even being used for Anti-base capping, they are being used as extra damage that never misses.

If you feel the same way post a response/reply voicing your opinions on turrets.
Only way to get anything done is voicing your opinion and not sitting on the sideline.

Want some cheese with your whine?

absolutely nothing wrong with this tactic. people have been saying "defend the base" and now they are. Assault is a better mode now that people have options to protect the base from people looking for easy points/c-bills.

kwitcherbellyachin'

Kudos to PGI on this feature!

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 12 March 2014 - 05:39 PM.

[Gladewolf]

SpiralFace, on 11 March 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

Its been my experience that they only retreat to the turrets when they are beginning to loose. Its actually a SMART move on their part. But there are ways around it.

- recognize they are in retreat and rush them before they make it back to the protection of their base.
- Take 2-3 flankers and pick apart their base early in the match while its left undefended.
- Wait them out. As long as you have the kill advantage, you win. So why risk the game by charging into the turrets that have perfect aim when you are all in critical condition mechs.
- Group up, charge in, and prioritize the mech. Match ends when you take out the mech, so just rush in with everyone and target the mech. The turrets can only target one guy at a time. And as long as you kill the mech, you don't need to worry about the turrets.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the turrets as they are right now. They are potent enough to where they matter, but not game breaking enough where 2-3 mechs can pretty much destroy a turret in 10 seconds.

The only thing that needs to change is the LRM locking not being affected by ECM. Everything else is fine.

WHAT?! A tactic that involves assaulting the enemy base in assault mode?! Nah, that's crazy talk.

[Lt Badger]

Gremlich Johns, on 12 March 2014 - 05:38 PM, said:

Want some cheese with your whine?

absolutely nothing wrong with this tactic. people have been saying "defend the base" and now they are. Assault is a better mode now that people have options to protect the base from people looking for easy points/c-bills.

kwitcherbellyachin'

Kudos to PGI on this feature!

great, we got turrets to persuade the people to defend the base and they do this, some of them do ONLY this.
what will hapen if they do not attack? will we get some bots attacking instead of them?

without turrets you´ve had also options to protect your base and some options more like pull some enemies back with fakecap, win by cap if you are the last one, or run back to own base because the last one enemy is capping, you were free
you don´t have those options now, because the simplest tactic is to camp the base and get support from the turrets
after few minutes you can see who wins almost chanceless to change it and you have to waste the rest of time by waiting

PGI is about to lose many people, who want to have fun with more options instead to wait as a good tactic.
skilled pilots have less chance to tactically operate because everyone is hiding, sniping and better falls back than attack, lets turrets do this thing, great

like i said, we need another assault mode witout turrets

Hellen Wheels, on 12 March 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

Turrets just stole 5 kills from me. That certainly IS abuse, freaking kill-stealing turrets.

<aside>: there should be land mines, too. I seem to recall a map in NetMech or MW2 that had land mines, or some sort of minefield. It was the scene with the overhead train I think. Yeah. Landmines AND Turrets. THAT would be killer diller.

minefields? good idea perharps, but some are camping the base just now, with minefiields nodody will move i think

Edited by Lt Badger, 12 March 2014 - 07:26 PM.

[amenophis]

Well after a little time with the turret's, the matches are a lot more boring and I have never seen so many tie games before. All that happens is one or both teams go to their own base and sit there, each one not wanting to go into the area where these things start killing you and you have little control over this, there's to many in to little a space, and the game times out and you have a tie. This is more normal when there is only 2 or 3 people left on each side. What fun!